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Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by colinmhayes »

dbbk wrote: post #257
hervature wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel compelled to say that your second sentence is probably the funniest thing I've ever read on HN. It resonates very strongly with my belief that VR/Metaverse will continue to under deliver. What people want is an escape from reality. "Just like" Ready Player One or anything from a wide choice of science fiction novels. The problem is that these systems require a fundamental disconnect from reality. Not only do w…

> What people want is an escape from reality. I don't think this is even broadly true. We just locked everyone in their houses for the pandemic and people hated it. They want to get out and do stuff and see the world. Not sit on a couch with a screen strapped to their face.

> We just locked everyone in their houses for the pandemic and people hated it.

Feel like this is not consensus on a tech forum.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by amrrs »

atourgates wrote: post #21

"Sitting by Mark’s side for these 14 years has been the honor and privilege of a lifetime. [...] In the critical moments of my life, in the highest highs and in the depths of true lows, I have never had to turn to Mark, because he was already there." If this is an accurate reflection of her experience, I don't expect it's a side of Mark Zuckerberg most of us imagine exists.

Mark Zuckerberg's interview with Lex Fridman changed my perception about him. He seems really an empathetic person. Maybe he's too deep into his own dogma but he's definitely not robotic.

https://youtu.be/5zOHSysMmH0

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by Macha »

NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #321
haunter wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine the mandatory MSQ in the Metaverse

Cut substantially all of the Seventh Astral Era line and maybe we can talk.

If you're not aware, they did this in one of the final Shadowbringers patches. Most of the fluff that used to be part of the MSQ is now moved to optional sidequests.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by berberous »

frisco wrote: post #25

I increasingly believe that Facebook’s pivot to Meta will end up going down as one of the biggest misses in the history of business. The metaverse is a real idea yes - but strapping a phone to your face and walking through your coffee table isn’t it. Especially not with a mediocre centralized FB owned “virtual world” where they inflict heavy taxes and content moderation. Facebook has neglected its core businesses for…

Well, I strongly disagree.

I would be shocked if VR/metaverse does not massively grow within the next 10 years. I think the headsets alone will continue to get massively better which will convert most of humanity, just like how much better iPhones got since the first one. In fact, I would bet anything on the foregoing, as I have near total confidence in that aspect.

It’s much harder to figure out which companies will profit off of that, so it’s certainly possible Meta will miss. But they have a leader with a vision, and are pouring more money into this than any other major player. Will that be enough? Who knows. But I think it’s a mistake to count them out so early in the process, when they are the ones putting R&D into this.

In my mind, it’s like starting an auto company right when cars arrive and people are still skeptical of them, and being the company to pour the most money into developing them. That’s who you want to bet against?

Taxes and moderation are considerations, sure, and may backfire partly, but I think the users will go where the tech is. Just like people buy iPhones not withstanding the cost, moderation, App Store tax, etc, because the iPhone is what users want. If Meta makes an excellent headset and software platform, people will use it. Most people don’t care about the things HN cares about (like App Store fees).

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by baobob »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #66
atourgates wrote: post #21

"Sitting by Mark’s side for these 14 years has been the honor and privilege of a lifetime. [...] In the critical moments of my life, in the highest highs and in the depths of true lows, I have never had to turn to Mark, because he was already there." If this is an accurate reflection of her experience, I don't expect it's a side of Mark Zuckerberg most of us imagine exists.

When you saw only one set of tracking cookies, it was then that Mark Zuckerberg was carrying you.

It's curious how gentle the transition for many companies from powerhouse to irrelevance is in the common perception. To realize they're already at the point where intelligent ridicule supplants impassioned critique kinda blows my mind, and as far as I can tell you're not wrong.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by HWR_14 »

ethbr0 wrote: post #196
jeffwask wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I 100% believe in VR/XR/AR just not one driven by Meta. Edit: To be clear, IMO most disruptive technologies are not driven by established mega-corporations.

Gmail? iPhone? Facebook Mobile? (And earlier, Bell/IBM/Oracle)

Gmail was an already popular concept whose differentiator was a company was willing to set money on fire to have two or three orders of magnitude more storage than their competitor. AFAIK, that's been their only differentiator - free storage space.

iPhone was a breakout product from a decidedly no-longer mega corp who practically died in the 1990s. I guess they had already made a resurgence with the iPod, but I think iPod leading to iPhone is similar enough that it's the same jump.

A mobile app from a company is a breakthrough product in your eyes?

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by walleeee »

elif wrote: post #288
frisco wrote: post #25

I increasingly believe that Facebook’s pivot to Meta will end up going down as one of the biggest misses in the history of business. The metaverse is a real idea yes - but strapping a phone to your face and walking through your coffee table isn’t it. Especially not with a mediocre centralized FB owned “virtual world” where they inflict heavy taxes and content moderation. Facebook has neglected its core businesses for…

I see things completely opposite, other than my agreement that the current meta implementation is categorically bad. The way I see it, Facebook is dead. It lost its place in society by forcibly combining free online expression with personal identity and responsibility. What remains is a culturally normative repository of groupthink with fewer and fewer participants deriving novel value, and that is reflected in the u…

> semi-anonymized and immediate human-to-human interaction

why are optionally anonymous forums like HN not sufficient for this? why do we need virtual avatars, content markets, gamification?

if people want these things there are always video games

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by luckydata »

lvl102 wrote: post #72

I think Sheryl is going out near the top here. She literally rode this generation of SV wave from the beginning. From a Larry Summers’ protege to one of the most influential executives on the planet. Despite all the negatives associated with Facebook, I think she was the best thing to happen to FB and Mark Zuckerberg.

I think she was simultaneously the best and worst thing to happen to FB. Some of the issues of the company are squarely at her feet. The revenue org is a huge clusterf** of mismanagement and improvisation that should have tamed years ago. When I was there a couple years ago I wasn't impressed at all by how it all worked and was wondering if this "beautiful journey" post was about to happen.

Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by baobob »

gkoberger wrote: post #109
atourgates wrote: post #21

"Sitting by Mark’s side for these 14 years has been the honor and privilege of a lifetime. [...] In the critical moments of my life, in the highest highs and in the depths of true lows, I have never had to turn to Mark, because he was already there." If this is an accurate reflection of her experience, I don't expect it's a side of Mark Zuckerberg most of us imagine exists.

I'm no Zuckerberg fan, but I imagine being in his inner circle is probably a very good experience. I fundamentally and vehemently disagree with his goals and the effect Facebook has on the world, but (outside of the early years) I haven't heard anything toxic about him as an executive.

> I'm no Zuckerberg fan, but I imagine being in his inner circle is probably a very good experience.

That experience is clearly taking its toll on Randi Zuckerberg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp0diaVLPrQ

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Post by HWR_14 »

berberous wrote: post #364
frisco wrote: post #25

I increasingly believe that Facebook’s pivot to Meta will end up going down as one of the biggest misses in the history of business. The metaverse is a real idea yes - but strapping a phone to your face and walking through your coffee table isn’t it. Especially not with a mediocre centralized FB owned “virtual world” where they inflict heavy taxes and content moderation. Facebook has neglected its core businesses for…

Well, I strongly disagree. I would be shocked if VR/metaverse does not massively grow within the next 10 years. I think the headsets alone will continue to get massively better which will convert most of humanity, just like how much better iPhones got since the first one. In fact, I would bet anything on the foregoing, as I have near total confidence in that aspect. It’s much harder to figure out which companies will…

> Just like people buy iPhones not withstanding the cost, moderation, App Store tax, etc, because the iPhone is what users want.

Unless you jailbreak it or turn on scary developer mode all those apply on Android too. Hell, iPhones are cheaper than some Android flagships now.

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