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Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by seltzered_ »

untog wrote: post #71
seltzered_ wrote: post #40

For t-mobile america users/cheapskates: it's quad-band 3G unlike the N9's penta-band 3G, so I don't see this phone selling on t-mobile at all. Too bad though, I've been wanting to replace my nexus one with a well-designed easily jailbreakable/sim-unlockable os.

Looking at the specs: http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/products/phone/lumia800/specifi... It says it does 850 and 1900, which are T-Mobile bands, no?

t-mobile us 3G band needs 1700 mhz (I believe that's the receiving frequency). example: even an unlocked iphone supports 850 / 1900 / 2100 hsdpa/3G, but won't get more than "edge" speed due to the non-support of 1700 mhz

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by untog »

seltzered_ wrote: post #81
untog wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the specs: http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/products/phone/lumia800/specifi... It says it does 850 and 1900, which are T-Mobile bands, no?

t-mobile us 3G band needs 1700 mhz (I believe that's the receiving frequency). example: even an unlocked iphone supports 850 / 1900 / 2100 hsdpa/3G, but won't get more than "edge" speed due to the non-support of 1700 mhz

Ah, you're right. How confusing/annoying.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by saturdaysaint »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #68
saturdaysaint wrote: post #65

The term "killer app" seems kind of outmoded, but I'm still waiting for WP7 to show me some really new functionality. I don't think we need something that can do the same stuff we've been doing for years on mobile phones, even if they've streamlined things here and there and have a pretty piece of hardware. Also, I honestly wonder if the dashboard-oriented UI makes it weak as an app platform. I have two friends who s…

Third parties can add similar functionality to their live tiles too, and a lot of apps do that. For example, the package tracker app can update the live tile with the latest location of the package, the twitter app can update with the latest tweets or tweet count etc. That is the whole point of the 'glance and go' mantra. When you're busy doing other stuff, you can just glance at the homescreen to see if there's some…

I "get" live tiles and I kind of like the concept. I'm saying that their size has disadvantages, though.

Three "pages" of apps on an iPhone (which is pretty average) hold 52 apps (16 x 3, plus the 4 in the "dock") that you can quickly navigate between. From what I've seen, anything more than 20 apps on WP7 seems to be more trouble than it's worth. At that point, you're exhausting the limit of "glance and go". Anything beyond that you relegate to the drawer of apps that few people actively use.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by recoiledsnake »

juliano_q wrote: post #46

I really like this device, but the prospect of using Internet Explorer again really turns me off. The black Lumia 800 with Android 4.0 would be perfect for me.

Nokia reportedly was in talks with Google, but Google wasn't willing to make enough concessions to Nokia, so they went with MS.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by shrikant »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #79
adolph wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it avoid lots of pocket/purse pictures?

No idea but I haven't seen one in six months of use.

I could be wrong, but I think that would be the proximity sensor at work.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by recoiledsnake »

saturdaysaint wrote: post #83
recoiledsnake wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Third parties can add similar functionality to their live tiles too, and a lot of apps do that. For example, the package tracker app can update the live tile with the latest location of the package, the twitter app can update with the latest tweets or tweet count etc. That is the whole point of the 'glance and go' mantra. When you're busy doing other stuff, you can just glance at the homescreen to see if there's some…

I "get" live tiles and I kind of like the concept. I'm saying that their size has disadvantages, though. Three "pages" of apps on an iPhone (which is pretty average) hold 52 apps (16 x 3, plus the 4 in the "dock") that you can quickly navigate between. From what I've seen, anything more than 20 apps on WP7 seems to be more trouble than it's worth. At that point, you're exhausting the limit of "glance and go". Anythin…

Those 20 apps are better reserved for the ones that do live updates, although I agree the app drawer can get a little crowded(there's alphabetical search in Mango to mitigate that a little).

But wasn't there a study showing how many apps people use on average? I believe it was far less than 20. Someone made a concept app to add folders to the UI(need to be dev unlocked or jailbroken to use it) http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/25/want-folders-on-your-wind...

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by myspy »

bonzoesc wrote: post #56
sethg wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(disclaimer: Nokia employee) On the one hand, maintaining two OS teams for the same hardware would be a waste of resources. On the other hand, I have heard stories of how Microsoft would often commit several teams to build a product to the same spec: the team that got something market-ready first was handsomely rewarded, and the teams that didn’t got reassigned to wash Bill Gates’s car. On the other other hand, Micro…

> On the other hand, I have heard stories of how Microsoft would often commit several teams to build a product to the same spec: the team that got something market-ready first was handsomely rewarded, and the teams that didn’t got reassigned to wash Bill Gates’s car. Apple did this for iPhone; two teams, the leader of one became a senior vice president, the leader of the other makes thermostats.

This story is not proven. There exists counter evidence from the thermostats guy himself.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by recoiledsnake »

drodil wrote: post #42

http://twitpic.com/5siddh/full

It's funny how people now call Meego a great OS, but if Nokia had gone with Meego, everyone would be saying "where are the apps?" "This would be better with Android on it". "The same icon based UI sucks". And it probably wouldn't sell well.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by saturdaysaint »

desigooner wrote: post #72
saturdaysaint wrote: post #65

The term "killer app" seems kind of outmoded, but I'm still waiting for WP7 to show me some really new functionality. I don't think we need something that can do the same stuff we've been doing for years on mobile phones, even if they've streamlined things here and there and have a pretty piece of hardware. Also, I honestly wonder if the dashboard-oriented UI makes it weak as an app platform. I have two friends who s…

FWIW, there is talk of adding folders to WP7 in the next incremental upgrade.

I've found that folders suffer the same fate as the all-purpose drawer of apps - simply having to do the extra app discourages usage of anything in the folder.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by recoiledsnake »

plq wrote: post #47

Here's my dream scenario: Nokia offers the same hardware with two different OS selections and also has Qt working on both Meego and WP platforms. This would obviously be a win-win situation for both the developer and the user. But this would be beneficial for Nokia as well, because: 1) It'd provide Nokia with hard data based on sales and user feedback on which platform performs better in real-world scenarios. Current…

The problem is that very few would develop for Meego, even in the absence of WP7. As Nokia's CEO said, the smartphone game has changed from a battle of devices into a war of ecosystems.
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