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Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by TobbenTM »

dave1010uk wrote: post #51
rdl wrote: post #5

Wow. Part of me wants this to suck, just so there are only iPhone and Android to worry about ever developing for, but this actually looks good enough to consider. I looked at WP through BizSpark a little, and it looks easier to develop for than iOS or Android, at least for corporate apps. It's possible RIM will lose out in the "corporate owned/managed" market to WP, especially if they can build in equivalent or bette…

In the UK (and I believe much of the rest of Europe), the monthly line rental is basically paying off a loan for the phone. You can get (just about) any phone for £0 up front if you're willing to pay enough every month. E.g. if the phone costs £500 out of contract ("pay as you go"), it will probably be free on a 18-month contract that costs £40/month. If you chose a £20/month contract then you'd have to pay about £20…

Same thing further up north, in Norway. But I get the impression that it's not like this in the US? More people either buy in without a contract, or 2-year contracts?

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by Shenglong »

I'm so disappointed by the color choices, and the bevel on the screen (or what looks like a bevel). Don't people ever wonder why some of the most popular phones in history have been white/black/silver only?

I feel like consumer demand for mobile devices isn't driven by aesthetic choice, more so than apparent popularity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_pho...

The numerous amount of buttons on the side also makes me angry. Honestly, I have two buttons on the side of my iPhone, and a flip switch which makes perfect sense. Is it really necessary to have four different -unmarked- buttons?

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by omaranto »

eis wrote: post #43

I hope they rename it for the spanish market: http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/dictionary/es-en/lumia.php

I don't think that's a very common word in Spanish. Both my wife and I are fairly well-read Mexicans and neither of us had ever heard or seen the word. The Royal Spanish Academy's dictionary does include it, but they add the annotation "p. us.", which means "little used". So I don't think many people in either Mexico or, judging by the dictionary, Spain will know the word, but Spanish does vary quite a bit from country to country, so it might be more or less common somewhere else.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by lreeves »

rdl wrote: post #5

Wow. Part of me wants this to suck, just so there are only iPhone and Android to worry about ever developing for, but this actually looks good enough to consider. I looked at WP through BizSpark a little, and it looks easier to develop for than iOS or Android, at least for corporate apps. It's possible RIM will lose out in the "corporate owned/managed" market to WP, especially if they can build in equivalent or bette…

Until Windows Phone supports an encrypted filesystem I can't really see stealing any substantial amount corporate marketshare. Now that Android 4 is out, it's the only mainstream smartphone that does not have this feature out of the box (and pretty much the most common and sensible requirement in ActiveSync provisioning is encrypted storage).

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by saturdaysaint »

The term "killer app" seems kind of outmoded, but I'm still waiting for WP7 to show me some really new functionality. I don't think we need something that can do the same stuff we've been doing for years on mobile phones, even if they've streamlined things here and there and have a pretty piece of hardware.

Also, I honestly wonder if the dashboard-oriented UI makes it weak as an app platform. I have two friends who switched from iPhone to WP7 and they've both remarked how few apps they use/buy outside of the included ones. The big tiles are nice, but they also mean one's homescreen is likely to be completely dominated by basic functionality apps (e-mail, contacts, pictures, etc). I'm sure that this enhances those select home screen apps, but I think it discourages adding much. Knock the iPhone interface, but the screens pages of tiny colorful icons do seem to encourage people to collect apps like badges and actually use them more.

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Post by recoiledsnake »

Shenglong wrote: post #62

I'm so disappointed by the color choices, and the bevel on the screen (or what looks like a bevel). Don't people ever wonder why some of the most popular phones in history have been white/black/silver only? I feel like consumer demand for mobile devices isn't driven by aesthetic choice, more so than apparent popularity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_pho... The numerous amount of buttons on…

Huh, the buttons are vol. up, vol down, power and camera(works even when in sleep/locked so that you can quickly take a picture unlike fiddling with the power and touchscreen on the iPhone). I don't see how that's numerous when they are all pretty useful.

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Post by untog »

saturdaysaint wrote: post #65

The term "killer app" seems kind of outmoded, but I'm still waiting for WP7 to show me some really new functionality. I don't think we need something that can do the same stuff we've been doing for years on mobile phones, even if they've streamlined things here and there and have a pretty piece of hardware. Also, I honestly wonder if the dashboard-oriented UI makes it weak as an app platform. I have two friends who s…

"Knock the iPhone interface, but the screens pages of tiny colorful icons do seem to encourage people to collect apps like badges and actually use them more."

Is that a good thing? Because I'm really not sure that it is. I used a W7 phone for a few weeks and I actually loved not having to launch half a dozen different apps- I view a person, I see their Facebook updates, their tweets, photos, etc. all in one place. It's awesome.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by recoiledsnake »

saturdaysaint wrote: post #65

The term "killer app" seems kind of outmoded, but I'm still waiting for WP7 to show me some really new functionality. I don't think we need something that can do the same stuff we've been doing for years on mobile phones, even if they've streamlined things here and there and have a pretty piece of hardware. Also, I honestly wonder if the dashboard-oriented UI makes it weak as an app platform. I have two friends who s…

Third parties can add similar functionality to their live tiles too, and a lot of apps do that. For example, the package tracker app can update the live tile with the latest location of the package, the twitter app can update with the latest tweets or tweet count etc. That is the whole point of the 'glance and go' mantra. When you're busy doing other stuff, you can just glance at the homescreen to see if there's something important or not. A bunch of icons like every other phone UI designed by Xerox PARC in the early 1980s doesn't do that.

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Post by sjs »

rdl wrote: post #5

Wow. Part of me wants this to suck, just so there are only iPhone and Android to worry about ever developing for, but this actually looks good enough to consider. I looked at WP through BizSpark a little, and it looks easier to develop for than iOS or Android, at least for corporate apps. It's possible RIM will lose out in the "corporate owned/managed" market to WP, especially if they can build in equivalent or bette…

I like the data binding stuff but other than that I found XAML a huge pain. Lots of auto-generated stuff mixed in with stuff that I edit as well. It doesn't break but I'd rather have some separation between generated stuff and stuff that I write. (e.g. the generation gap pattern, often useful for models)

Navigation is a blessing and a curse, some kind of modal view or overlay would ease the pain there. I don't know if MS is working on it but it's frustrating that they claim it's an "edge case". Almost every single login or sign up window is a transient thing like that, and you can't navigate in a navigation handler so chaining transitions is a headache.

Other than those 2 issues it was good, but I would develop for iOS and even Android over WP7 any day.

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Post by untog »

macavity23 wrote: post #36
thomasz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although IE has been updated to 9 with Mangoo which is a decent browser, i would expect the same problems Opara gets with cutting edge stuff: You are very lucky if the app got tested for IE. I never encountered serious problems though, even with IE7.

IE getting punished by the marketplace for not adhering to standards?! The prayers of a hundred thousand angry webdevs have surely been answered :-)

In mobile, that's not actually the case. People tend to throw in the -webkit- css prefixes and nothing else. So Opera, Firefox and IE all suffer.
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