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Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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>There's enough background noise in the open office that I keep headphones on most of the time while I'm at my desk. I still don't get how we as a species went "this is fine". The complete loss of audiovisual privacy is such an immense drain. I'll buy the "being close together works better" argument, but I still can't grasp how that offsets all the distractions in the modern office.

I feel like the unicorn where I both enjoyed my colleagues in the office and had a lot of fun. Was it _more_ productive? Hard to say but I could easily put on my headphones and work. The lack of visual privacy I realize but I would never say it hindered my work. Then again nobody was on me if I went on reddit for a bit because the tests are running. I think a bunch of people on hacker news are discounting how much mo…

I'm with you. I was at least as productive, and much happier. I never had audiovisual privacy, and it never bothered me. If I really needed to do something in private I could go to an empty meeting room or booth, or even just find a secluded couch spot or something.

I was also able to learn a lot more from my peers and to build work type relationships much more efficiently, many of which have paid dividends over the course of my career.

I can also clearly see that the junior engineers at my company are developing much slower than they did when we were in office. I'm pretty sure that can be rectified with better process, but I think it's really significant that being remote makes those sorts of things much harder, and when things are hard orgs will often get them badly wrong.

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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As the exception that proves the rule, I missed my commute terribly and its absence was having a negative impact on me. However, I have a 30 minute bicycle commute, which I think changes everything. The daily exercise, change of scenery, and fresh air made all the difference in the world. I'm probably more productive for my employer at home but I feel way better as a human being when I commute in. When WFH, there wer…

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Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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The magic of open space is the same for me... but without the "perks" (food is pretty horrible from the comment I have, and it's 1 hour of traffic jam to get there). All that to do Teams meeting at my desk, with the noise of my other colleagues also in call. That's, to put it simply, hell. And then you have to be under constant surveillance, "why do you leave so early?" (I've been there for 8 hours already, so, fuck…

There aren't any meeting rooms at your office? I think every place I've been, even the startups had some kind of conference call mic setup on the table, although I don't think every place had a cam. It's possible for the "room" to join the call and those who must join over video.

But you're still in a meeting room on a video call, so why not just be on a video call if the rest of your day is spent in isolation with headphones on with all the inconveniences of office travel. What is the upside? Especially when there are open office plans with no assigned desks (as has been mentioned above - luckily, I haven't actually worked at a "non assigned desk role yet), which is f'ing dehumanizing.

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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post #57

As the exception that proves the rule, I missed my commute terribly and its absence was having a negative impact on me. However, I have a 30 minute bicycle commute, which I think changes everything. The daily exercise, change of scenery, and fresh air made all the difference in the world. I'm probably more productive for my employer at home but I feel way better as a human being when I commute in. When WFH, there wer…

Makes no sense. Just go out and bike. I've been WFH for 10+ years and I do this all the time.

Switching from in office to WFH turned biking from one of my favorite parts of the day into a dreaded chore. I still do it, but I hate it now. You can't just discount the psychological impact of having to force yourself to do the activity instead of it being an integral part of your daily life.

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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post #57

As the exception that proves the rule, I missed my commute terribly and its absence was having a negative impact on me. However, I have a 30 minute bicycle commute, which I think changes everything. The daily exercise, change of scenery, and fresh air made all the difference in the world. I'm probably more productive for my employer at home but I feel way better as a human being when I commute in. When WFH, there wer…

Makes no sense. Just go out and bike. I've been WFH for 10+ years and I do this all the time.

> Now I know what you're thinking but no, I couldn't maintain a habit of getting out of the house to do exercise for exercise's sake.

Sometimes people need a forced window to do something. The commute was a nice window for reading, listening to podcasts, disconnecting.

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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> Empty offices in city centers may be replaced by apartment buildings. “The end result is more balanced communities,” Mr. Florida said. “But—and it is a big but—the adjustment will be painful.” The institutional owners of property may end up taking a haircut. This ultimately means pension funds in large part. Alongside deglobalisation, renewables (with stranded assets) and creeping automation, I wonder what options…

>The institutional owners of property may end up taking a haircut. This is exactly why Mayor Adams wants people to come back to the office in NYC. NYC derives a big chunk of change from taxing corporate offices, and if the value goes down then NYC loses out on a lot of money.

And taxing the commuters, and the sandwich shops those commuters patronize, etc, etc.

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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All of my career I prioritized short commutes, which led to living in tiny apartments (as small as 25 sqmt) within a short commute from work. When Covid hit we had just moved to a new 1 bed flat and were paying our highest rent yet, but hey, 15 minutes commute! When it became evident we were in for the long haul we started looking to move again. We ended up moving to a 3 bed house with garden in a tiny village close…

Everyone on HN who loves urban density should read things like this. Quality of life cooped up in a dense urban setting, especially with a family, is awful. There's so much space in the world, we don't need to pack ourselves in tiny urban centers near "tech hubs" at all.

This comment makes no sense. Folks who love urban density... love urban density. Why would reading a comment from someone who feels differently be important to us? I totally respect the parent comments opinion, but their lived experience differs from mine entirely.

> Quality of life cooped up in a dense urban setting, especially with a family, is awful.

This is unbelievably subjective, and you simply cannot state this as if it's a fact. I have lived in rural, suburban, and dense urban settings, and my quality of life was by far, by far, the highest in the city. Almost every aspect of my life was improved when I moved to a dense urban center.

Urban centers are not simply desirable because of jobs! Many of us simply prefer the lifestyle they afford!

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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post #46

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You need to pay for a gym membership to return to office?

For a lot of people, their companies don't pay for a gym membership or don't have an office gym, and if the gym is part of their lifestyle not working from home means needing a gym membership in the city near the office. The logic is pretty simple, if you are going to be stuck in rush hour commute home for 2 hours or you can walk to a city gym and work out for an hour, then jump into your commute and be home in an ho…

> commute home for 2 hours

That sounds like a nightmare.

> work out for an hour, then jump into your commute and be home in an hour and 45 minutes

Still terrible.

> 1 hour of gym time + you arrive home to take a shower

1h45m of sweaty commute after 1h of gym? I don't think so.

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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>There's enough background noise in the open office that I keep headphones on most of the time while I'm at my desk. I still don't get how we as a species went "this is fine". The complete loss of audiovisual privacy is such an immense drain. I'll buy the "being close together works better" argument, but I still can't grasp how that offsets all the distractions in the modern office.

I used to keep the clip as a joke, because I was constantly going into the office early so I could get some work done before the constant chatter. https://youtube.com/shorts/4whlr2dVDws?feature=share

I did the same and I barely function before the sun is up. Got a solid 1-2 hours in doing way better work than the hours spent not half asleep but with the noise. Was able to do it the other way around a few times and found my late hours were even better, but managers were a little eager to apprehend me for coming in "late".

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There's enough background noise in the open office that I keep headphones on most of the time while I'm at my desk. I still don't get how we as a species went "this is fine". The complete loss of audiovisual privacy is such an immense drain. I'll buy the "being close together works better" argument, but I still can't grasp how that offsets all the distractions in the modern office.

I feel like the unicorn where I both enjoyed my colleagues in the office and had a lot of fun. Was it _more_ productive? Hard to say but I could easily put on my headphones and work. The lack of visual privacy I realize but I would never say it hindered my work. Then again nobody was on me if I went on reddit for a bit because the tests are running. I think a bunch of people on hacker news are discounting how much mo…

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