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Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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My remote org had an onsite this past week. I forgot how much I hate 'socializing' and how useless water cooler talk is.

They tried their best to make it enjoyable but I am so much happier in my home office with no background noise, no need to get dressed up, and being able to define my own schedule (I eat lunch at 3-4pm and bay tech orgs serve lunch at noon with all the smells disturbing me).

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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post #10

Employee opposition to commuting ... may require investing in housing, highways, public transportation and other infrastructure necessary to reduce commute times. Yet another benefit for investing in housing and public transportation. Based on my proximity to public transportation, too, I have many job options close by, so I'm not likely to get stuck in a bad spot.

Agreed, and look at how fragile we are when gas prices go up. If we just built medium-density, mixed use development with appealing architecture and sensible transit options (walk, bike, ride street cars or light rail) with the option of still owning a car (ideally around 1 per family) we'd be in such a better place.

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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EU perspective: Gas is high and cars are expensive.

Cities are full of drug addicts, homeless people, and empty shops. And crime. I don’t even like going downtown for leisure.

House prices and rents have rocketed so people who moved the last 2 years to upsize have done so even further from the office.

Not to mention presenteeism spreading viruses.

Not to mention awful noisy offices designed by sadists.

It’s far more complicated than just the “commute”.

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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post #3

The closest I can afford to live to my job is about an hour each way. Having my 8 hour day be a 10 hour day is unappealing.

I am with you there, I move a lot for work, and I try to stay within a half hour of my office/jobsite location. Any farther than that and the commuting time just adds up so quickly.

An hour each way is another full work shift by the end of just one week. No thanks.

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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post #4

If you live more than 30 minutes away from the office, and it's self-evident that your physical presence isn't necessary to accomplish your day to day, I don't see why someone wouldn't refuse to come back excepting a few days here and there for a fun communal activity with your team. Especially if they have children.

people don't even want to come back for mandatory fun https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220517-the-death-of-m...

Good. The only mandatory fun I enjoy is when the boss picks up the bar tab with no other stipulations.

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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> Empty offices in city centers may be replaced by apartment buildings. “The end result is more balanced communities,” Mr. Florida said. “But—and it is a big but—the adjustment will be painful.”

The institutional owners of property may end up taking a haircut. This ultimately means pension funds in large part. Alongside deglobalisation, renewables (with stranded assets) and creeping automation, I wonder what options people and governments have to protect their wealth amidst creative destruction.

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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That's one reason for sure, but even if my house was a 10 minute walk from the office, I'd still rather only go in for meetings. At home I have my own private office with a nice view. I have a nice set of speakers and can play any music I like. If I want to go for a walk, I'm in a quiet suburban neighborhood with hiking trails nearby. The kitchen is always stocked with snacks I like plus freshly prepared healthy lunc…

The magic of open space is the same for me... but without the "perks" (food is pretty horrible from the comment I have, and it's 1 hour of traffic jam to get there). All that to do Teams meeting at my desk, with the noise of my other colleagues also in call. That's, to put it simply, hell.

And then you have to be under constant surveillance, "why do you leave so early?" (I've been there for 8 hours already, so, fuck you very much)" and the "why do you go to a private cell for your meeting? (to not annoy you)"

The worst part? I sometimes do meeting with half of my colleague sitting right next to me in the same call. With my headset. Why?

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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post #8

With high cost buildings in NYC it would seem companies would be happy to sell their billion dollar building and make like 2 small satellite offices closer to where the people live -- one say in eastern New Jersey and one in Brooklyn when you need to meet with clients or have big meetings or for the people who need to have a workspace away from home and save a ton of money having a large percentage of the company wor…

One, most US companies don't own their buildings - they lease for the tax advantages. It comes down to capital expenditures vs operational expenditures. They're happy to reduce OpEx, but it's not like it's a billion dollar windfall.

Two, satellite offices often aren't any more convenient for commuters, and often don't save as much money as you expect. You have to duplicate infrastructure in more locations. My son worked in Manhattan. His coworkers lived in Connecticut and Long Island; travelling to Brooklyn or New Jersey wasn't substantially easier for them. Even commuting between adjacent boroughs can be a pain if mass transit is oriented around getting people from the suburbs to the city core.

Re: Dreaded commute to the city is keeping offices mostly empty

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post #4

If you live more than 30 minutes away from the office, and it's self-evident that your physical presence isn't necessary to accomplish your day to day, I don't see why someone wouldn't refuse to come back excepting a few days here and there for a fun communal activity with your team. Especially if they have children.

people don't even want to come back for mandatory fun https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220517-the-death-of-m...

This is pretty foreign to me. I put that line in because my team has actually organically suggested "Let's go have lunch!" or play a game together. Nothing mandatory or forced by a manager, just something because we do enjoy getting together from time to time.
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