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Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by jinushaun »

nextparadigms wrote: post #2

Ouch. Are they implying the other WP7 phones are just cheap fakes? The other OEM's must not be too happy about this today. Why do I get the feeling the other OEM's were just "used" to help WP7 survive for another year until the "real" WP7 manufacturer arrives?

Nokia is correct. The first wave of WP7 phones were awful, boring, cheap looking, giant bricks, etc. No standout desirable devices, which hurt the platform. That is the risk of the MS model: your partners will take your OS and put it on cheap crappy hardware and lose to Apple. The Lumia 800 is the first desirable WP7 device.

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Post by jinushaun »

navs wrote: post #19

I love the look of WP7 and this phone looks decent! I don't generally use apps, preferring webapps on the mobile browser. How does WP7's browser compare to Android or iOS? I've heard some say its good, others saying its terrible. Its hard to get an unbiased answer after years of thrashing desktop IE.

It used to be really bad, but Mango improved it a lot. For example, pre-Mango IE didn't properly zoom into form text fields like the iPhone does, which made entering text unnecessarily frustrating.

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Post by rimantas »

thomasz wrote: post #39
macavity23 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IE getting punished by the marketplace for not adhering to standards?! The prayers of a hundred thousand angry webdevs have surely been answered :-)

you assume that most websites care about standards. They don't.[1] Writing truly standards compliant html is too much hassle for most people out there, and brings next to nothing in value. What they do is test it against the important implementations: On the desktop IE 7+, Firefox 3+, Chrome. For mobile sites they test for both webkit flavors, and that's it. Again, IE mobile is facing the same problems as Opara: Both…

  > Writing truly standards compliant html is too much hassle
  > for most people out there
This may be true (the "too much hassle" part), but writing standards compliant html is very easy. Or just easy, depending how semantically clean you want it to be.

  > and brings next to nothing in value.
This is wrong. Unless savings on network traffic, time spent on maintenance and page load times are of now value to developer.

Re: Nokia announces the Lumia 800, the 'first real Windows Phone'

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Post by plq »

Here's my dream scenario: Nokia offers the same hardware with two different OS selections and also has Qt working on both Meego and WP platforms.

This would obviously be a win-win situation for both the developer and the user. But this would be beneficial for Nokia as well, because:

1) It'd provide Nokia with hard data based on sales and user feedback on which platform performs better in real-world scenarios. Currently, the decision to drop Meego for WP platform is mostly based on "hopes and promises".

2) Having both platforms compete on even terms would also improve the overall Nokia experience on both platforms as this open and fair competition would motivate both the Microsoft and the Meego teams to do better.

So, why this wouldn't happen?

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Post by vegai »

codedivine wrote: post #33
vegai wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I guess... I really don't regard Symbian as a viable platform, though

First off, S40 isn't Symbian. Secondly, didn't you just ask for a featurephone then why do you care about the platform?

Oh right. Good point.

Let me rephrase what I really feel: After my three previous Nokia phones, I don't feel Nokia is a viable producer of high quality phones. In fact, part of me wants to punish them for selling me such junk and enveloping me in some sort of cognitive dissonance field that made me think they were doing good work.

Then again, Elop got there to change exactly that, so perhaps I should give them a benefit of doubt now.

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Post by [deleted] »

plq wrote: post #47

Here's my dream scenario: Nokia offers the same hardware with two different OS selections and also has Qt working on both Meego and WP platforms. This would obviously be a win-win situation for both the developer and the user. But this would be beneficial for Nokia as well, because: 1) It'd provide Nokia with hard data based on sales and user feedback on which platform performs better in real-world scenarios. Current…

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Post by MatthewPhillips »

plq wrote: post #47

Here's my dream scenario: Nokia offers the same hardware with two different OS selections and also has Qt working on both Meego and WP platforms. This would obviously be a win-win situation for both the developer and the user. But this would be beneficial for Nokia as well, because: 1) It'd provide Nokia with hard data based on sales and user feedback on which platform performs better in real-world scenarios. Current…

I'd be very surprised if they weren't already working on a Qt to CIL compiler.
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