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Legends Solar – Buy operating solar panels on commercial solar farms

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Re: Legends Solar – Buy operating solar panels on commercial solar farms

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I've been looking for something just like this! I find that people get really weird about solar stuff, so I'll explain why I've been looking for something like this. 1. I believe that man-made climate change is real and we should do something about it. 2. I want to limit/eliminate my own family's personal contribution to the warming of the planet for ethical and emotional reasons 3. I believe that solar is a "green"…

Beware.

Your speculation #7 notwithstanding, this kind of scheme is being targeted at retail investors [1] (instead of just accredited investors, sovereign wealth funds, pension funds, and the like) because it is more of a feel-good investment than something that makes financial sense. Firms with similar business models include Rally Road (equity shares in collectible cars). Similarities include the establish-an-emotional-connection tactic of identifying a specific panel or specific car.

This is a step up from Rally Road in my book — there's real earnings, it's not purely speculative — but from an investment perspective, you're only really involved because you're not as demanding as a serious investor (I expect rising interest rates have something to do with the shift away from accredited investors) and you are more vulnerable to this kind of feelgood pitch. Heck, you're competing with funding sources like a commercial loan, and for some reason you're winning?? That's a red flag.

You may see depressingly low returns. Read the prospectus end to end, understand the risks, and figure out how to do the math and properly discount a future income stream in a rising-interest-rate environment.

[1] (Elsewhere in this discussion: "We are currently working with accredited investors, but we are working to launch a product for retail investors.")

Re: Legends Solar – Buy operating solar panels on commercial solar farms

#163

This reminds me a lot of those companies that sell Bitcoin mining shares (though obviously way more environment friendly). I guess it makes sense, but if the thing makes money...why do you need my money?

Because interest rates are rising and you don't understand the concept of the discount rate.

Re: Legends Solar – Buy operating solar panels on commercial solar farms

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post #14

A company named "Legend Solar" had some heartburn in Utah, about 3-4 years ago. Cashflow problems, incomplete installations, customers left hanging, the usual story. Utah wanted to pull their business license. So is this "Legends Solar" a reboot? The name is spelled a little differently.

A cursory inspection suggests an entirely different board. Heck of a name to pick, though.

Re: Legends Solar – Buy operating solar panels on commercial solar farms

#165
Is there any "buy equity in X" in similar form that did not turn out to be a scam or unprofitable?

E.g. "cloud mining", "fractional share in high value collectible games" were all nonsense.

After all, maybe the ruthless SEC is there for something - even if I don't agree with all that "accredited investor" gatekeeping that prevents competent individuals form getting a tiniest slice of the VC windfall.

Re: Legends Solar – Buy operating solar panels on commercial solar farms

#166
This product is targeted at people who want rooftop solar, presumably because of the environmental benefits, but don't have a good location for rooftop solar.

If this is appealing to you, you might also want to check into your power company's offerings. It may be possible to buy carbon-neutral power directly for a relatively small fee. This is what I do, and it costs about $10-12 per month.

(Buying "carbon-neutral power" means that the power company guarantees that the combined usage of everyone on such a plan is less than combined carbon-neutral power generation. It incentives power company investment in carbon-neutral sources.)

Re: Legends Solar – Buy operating solar panels on commercial solar farms

#167
post #100

@yepnopemaybe Say I want to invest in solar to generate revenue to pay for charging my EV driven 15k miles a year, or about 3750kWh (@250Wh/mi). In my area, that will require about 2.6kW of PV, which at local rooftop PV rates of about $3/W would be $7800 pre Federal tax credit, or $5772 after the Federal tax credit. Meanwhile, 3750 kWh purchased from my utility will cost me about $1000/year at today's electricity rat…

Wow, those are all amazing questions. We are going to structure the investment so that your returns will be post tax-equity and post-depreciation. We would be opening up a can of worms if each retail investor's return were dependent on their particular tax situation (although we are now working with accredited investors who are availing themselves of MACERS and ITC). We could never guarantee any amount of generation…

Thanks for the thorough reply!
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