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Ask HN: Why don't more UK graduates want to join start-ups?

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Re: Ask HN: Why don't more UK graduates want to join start-ups?

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A few guesses:

a) The likes of Morgan Stanley, PWC and suchlike put a lot of effort into always being at the forefront of student minds, by sponsoring societies, etc. That often means they are the default first choice. They also organise a ton of events to show students how nice they are.

b) Money. No getting away from this one. A decent starting salary might be in the region of 25k, the companies mentioned above usually pay somewhere around 35k. That 10k makes a huge difference after 3-4 years of living in squalor.

c) Inexperience. Coming out of university a job is more-or-less a job. You write some code, get paid, that's it. It takes a bit of personal experience to fully appreciate the corporate reality of legacy code, bureaucracy and incompetence. In my experience it often takes those encounters with the beast that is corporate coding to make you run for the hills or startups.

d) Peers and parental pressure. Your mates are all getting golden hand shakes and nice lunches at Big Corp, it is natural to want the same. Also, when you get that job offer from PWC or similar, your parents' eyes light up with excitement and they run off to tell all their friends about it. When you get a job at a three man company, their reaction is likely to be mild confusion at best. Sad but true.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more UK graduates want to join start-ups?

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Ian, I think it comes down to the fact that graduates here in London and the rest of the UK aren't all that interested in startups as a whole. Having studied at a top London uni and having friends doing CS degrees at Imperial, UCL etc, none of them even considered joining a startup. It seems as though all of these graduates have their heart set on joining investment banking/trading - this is largely based on what they think the job is like, but after they join, they realise it sucks but the money is pretty good they just put up with it. This is based on 10+ of my friends working in banking and hating the hours and the work.

We need to foster more of a startup culture within university campuses, right now 99% of graduates don't even think about joining a startup - it just doesn't even come into their mind, totally focused on joining a blue chip.

Finally, many (not all!) of the startups here in London don't even have a proper business model and haven't made a profit despite being established for years. So that doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the top CS graduates they hope to attract.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more UK graduates want to join start-ups?

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A few guesses: a) The likes of Morgan Stanley, PWC and suchlike put a lot of effort into always being at the forefront of student minds, by sponsoring societies, etc. That often means they are the default first choice. They also organise a ton of events to show students how nice they are. b) Money. No getting away from this one. A decent starting salary might be in the region of 25k, the companies mentioned above usu…

These are all great points. On a) perhaps we need to use the milkroundabout brand to start sponsoring stuff during the year, similar to how the larger corporations do. On d) I totally agree with that. My main hack around that has been to try to have dinner with the parents/partners of those joining us to try to get them to buy into the opportunity and people behind the start-ups as well. That's also one area where in the UK, having brand name investors like YC and Index behind you really helps.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more UK graduates want to join start-ups?

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No doubt the attraction of big companies is strong for grads, and for good reasons. A positive observation is that post-grad Entrepreneurship programs attract a lot of people who went straight to big companies and then figured out that startups were a better option for them. So grads who get it just take a year or 3 to become aware of the option.

I wonder if the answer lies with these recent alumni, and if there's a way to share their experience with the doey-eyed undergrads job-seekers.

Maybe Milkroundabout needs to bring it into the schools, and enable alumni as the awareness vector. Or maybe Milkroundabout could turn some attention to rescuing former grads already employed at big companies, rather than focusing solely on the newest grads.

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We've reached out to a ton of university career services and CS & engineering departments. Some have been very helpful, for example the team at Queen Mary have been amazing and probably 50% of their CS students are coming down. But many of the others have been a lot less engaged and willing to promote to their student body, vs the tried and tested options of banks & consultancies. Do you think we should take the sili…

That's great - shame on the others for not passing it on. Clearly the big boys visit universities because they have the resources to do so. If siliconmilkroundabout were to visit on behalf of a body of startups this would clearly be more efficient than every startup trying to send one man. I'd love to see this happen and I think it would have a huge impact on students, especially given the contrast with other visitor…

I think we'll start looking into it. Should be possible. Maybe create a rota scheme where a couple of founders staff each table which would allow us to hit hundreds of milkround events over a year.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more UK graduates want to join start-ups?

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Plus there is also the legacy fear that start-ups are a risk. Students aim for big companies and recognised brands as it's entrenched in their psyche that they must build a decent CV from the minute they step out into the big bad world.

I think that's somewhat mitigated as the UK develops a few more household name brand start-ups like Moshi Monsters and Shazam but I agree it's an issue. I think the key point we need to make there is that as a developer you want to go wherever you'll learn the most, and start-ups credibly offer that - both by exposure to the broader aspects of building a successful business and also by density of talent.

I don't think you can call Moshi Monsters and Shazam a 'startup' anymore.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more UK graduates want to join start-ups?

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I'm currently a masters student at UCL and I'm too surprised at the small scale of start-up culture here. I've been talking to many london universities to bring hackers and start-up enthusiasts together to collaborate and see what everyone is working on. Numbers are small, but there is talent out there working on cool ideas.

In my opinon in this case it's a matter of exposure, here at UCL I didn't see any advertisements about siliconmilkroundabout; and I bet more non-technical founders knew about it than computer scientists. Universities are a hard one to crack, you really have to target down hard to the societies(techsoc) and the right areas (malet place).

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I think a lot of students just aren't aware it's possible... All through uni, literally zero people told me startups even existed as an option. No professor, no career counsellor, no guest speaker... nobody. I accidentally signed up for a course called "project proposal" thinking it was about submitting research to conferences, but it was actually about pitching ideas to VCs. Rocked my world. Although it wasn't quite…

+1 on the guest lecture point. UCL runs a guest lecture series with founders, but that's focused on business students. This could be shared with other departments like CS and Design.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more UK graduates want to join start-ups?

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I'm currently a masters student at UCL and I'm too surprised at the small scale of start-up culture here. I've been talking to many london universities to bring hackers and start-up enthusiasts together to collaborate and see what everyone is working on. Numbers are small, but there is talent out there working on cool ideas. In my opinon in this case it's a matter of exposure, here at UCL I didn't see any advertiseme…

what could we do in the next 3 days to really crank up awareness at UCL? We have posters, fliers and can send someone from Songkick or another start-up down to speak about the event and the start-ups that will be represented. Thanks!

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more UK graduates want to join start-ups?

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I'm a founder of Lyst, one of the companies who will be involved in the event. I have two theories about why the traction for so-to-be graduates hasn't been amazing. 1) Location. While London is definitely business and cultural center of Britain, I believe it's a bit of a slog for students to travel down to the recruitments fair, especially since most of the best universities are located outside of the city. SO going…

Location is a good point. Never underestimate the laziness of students when it comes to transit. They're used to living in a village.
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