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Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Not sure I count as mid career yet(graduated 2018, starting PhD 2022) but I can certainly echo the sentiment. I work in life sciences academia and if it were not for me leaving for school I 100% would be swapping to industry. I’m even quitting a bit earlier than anticipated because I’m fed up.

I’ve been getting a lot more recruitment outreach this spring, some good some bad. The biggest thing is that they’re offering sometimes up to 2x my salary. My institution already compensates much higher than most schools (I make 70k, most research techs make like 30k-40k) so this was quite striking. Also hours are better, etc.

A better barometer perhaps would be the postdocs I know, the majority of which are not bothering to pursue academia. Only 2 that I’m aware of landed tenure track faculty jobs. I personally have no plans to stay in academia unless I somehow land a tenure track faculty position at a R1 university which might as well be like winning the lottery. I’ll stick to industry or leverage my training to go into patent law/science policy/biotech investing.

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Universities are in trouble. I know of three that are unable to hire for senior and middle positions. They've been advertising for months. Here (UK), Brexit is partly to blame, along with post Cov19 fatigue, and aging population with many retiring. As I've said in other comments, the main problem is that academia has become hideously corrupted by "professional management" values leading to de-skilling as good people…

What does "senior and middle positions" mean? Are you talking about something that has the potential to be a tenured position, non-tenured academic positions, or non-academic positions?

We don't have tenure as such in the UK (it was abolished by Thatcher). We do have jobs with permanent contracts; these used to be really quite secure (occasional department-closure redundancies notwithstanding) but the current batch of senior managers seem keen to make everyone afraid for their jobs. My own university (Liverpool) attempted more than 50 redundancies on the basis of dodgy performance metrics last year and generated six months worth of industrial action. There are also (increasing) numbers of teaching and research staff on casual and temporary contracts. Some of these are postdocs, others equivalent to US adjuncts or Visiting Assistant Professors.

Our middle and senior management are increasingly a separate class. It used to be that management was done by established academics on a temporary basis: the department's full professors take their turn as head of department, for example, and the Pro-Vice-Chancellors (deputy Presidents) would have recently been senior profs. Nowadays, heads of department tend to be externally recruited as such, there's an increasing group of senior management that have never been academics, and those that have been are essentially part of a separate management track that doesn't really interact with the career paths of the rest of us.

The traditional governance measures have also broken down: it used to be that the faculty Senate was (probably over-)powerful; now management is corporate-style in the hands of Vice Chancellors-as-CEOs with their senior management colleagues and carefully selected 'independent' non-execs serving as oversight.

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "senior and middle positions" mean? Are you talking about something that has the potential to be a tenured position, non-tenured academic positions, or non-academic positions?

By senior I mean "senior or associate professors and lecturers" like myself, and by middle I mean postdoc full lecturers with at least 5-10 years. I don't know what to say about the word "tenured" because it's meaning seems very different in the UK than it is used in USA. In the US I get the idea people think "tenure" makes you impossible fire. Yet here I know of two full professors with over 20 years service, scores…

Where are you based?

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "senior and middle positions" mean? Are you talking about something that has the potential to be a tenured position, non-tenured academic positions, or non-academic positions?

By senior I mean "senior or associate professors and lecturers" like myself, and by middle I mean postdoc full lecturers with at least 5-10 years. I don't know what to say about the word "tenured" because it's meaning seems very different in the UK than it is used in USA. In the US I get the idea people think "tenure" makes you impossible fire. Yet here I know of two full professors with over 20 years service, scores…

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Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Here in the US, I expect a lot of K-12 teachers to be leaving the field. The additional demands created by Covid were the last straw for many. Their employment contracts are such that they have to give months of notice, so I expect all to be quiet until August, then panic everywhere as slots can't be filled.

(Public School) Teacher pay is largely structured to encourage retention. The salary is pretty lousy if you only do it for 2 years, but if you stick around for 40 years it is a well paying job in most States. The pay increases for seniority and the compounding interest of pensions add up to a very good salary. There is also the other problem that a lot of states require an education degree to teach in public schools which is somewhat specialized. A lot of mid-career educators that I have spoken with find that their skills don't really qualify them for a lot of jobs and becoming a private school teacher typically means a pay cut.

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Here in the US, I expect a lot of K-12 teachers to be leaving the field. The additional demands created by Covid were the last straw for many. Their employment contracts are such that they have to give months of notice, so I expect all to be quiet until August, then panic everywhere as slots can't be filled.

Why wouldn't you have expected them to leave last summer? I have a couple friends here in CA who did.

I'm guessing the hope that the 2021–22 school year would be better.

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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At some point, this nonsense has to stop. Both in the UK and the US. 1) Student loan plans (especially in the UK) are gonna cripple the economy and are vastly unsustainable. Especially given the ridiculous payback terms that change on a whim every year, and vastly unsustainable interest rates. People aren't earning enough to pay them back either. 2) Grants are being used as a negotiation tactic, with EU horizon fundi…

> 1) Student loan plans (especially in the UK) are gonna cripple the economy and are vastly unsustainable.

Why do you say that about the UK? I’m not from there and this is the first I’m hearing about problems with UK student debt.

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Can anyone show me statistical evidence that this "great resignation" is anything more than a story made up by the media?

To add a little color to the bare link already posted:

Back in 2000 the Department of Labor started tracking the number of people quitting their job. The number has bounced between 1.5 and 2.5 percent during that time. The number recently went up to 3 percent, and is staying high.

From that it appears "something" is happening. Given the lack of historical data it is impossible to tell if it is normal variability or something interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Resignation

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