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Re: Welcoming Rocket.Chat to Matrix

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Post by zaik »

f38zf5vdt wrote: post #37

Rocket.Chat uses their own E2EE scheme [1] which is different and arguably less secure than the one in Matrix [2]. As I understand it, this is simply a bridge and will defeat the purpose of the advanced E2EE algorithm in Matrix. I recall looking at Rocket.Chat when setting up chat servers for my corporation and dropping it over their poor and slow to adopt E2EE implementations. [1] https://docs.rocket.chat/guides/sec…

That's also the reason you cannot securely message Matrix users if you already have a XMPP address.

Re: Welcoming Rocket.Chat to Matrix

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

godelski wrote: post #34

HN frequently seems obsessed with Matrix. So I want to ask, where do you all hang out and how do you use it? I think Matrix is cool, I just am not sure how people are actually using it. Please don't tell me to look at the channels list there's a lot of porn and most channels I have joined are dead.

It's a battle-tested open source Discord/Slack/etc replacement with sound 1-on-1/group chat E2EE encryption. It's like Facebook Messenger:Signal as Slack:Matrix, and it's easy to use software even for people not familiar with dealing with the ins and outs of complicated cryptosystems. Unlike Signal it has always been completely open source.

Re: Welcoming Rocket.Chat to Matrix

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Post by [deleted] »

godelski wrote: post #34

HN frequently seems obsessed with Matrix. So I want to ask, where do you all hang out and how do you use it? I think Matrix is cool, I just am not sure how people are actually using it. Please don't tell me to look at the channels list there's a lot of porn and most channels I have joined are dead.

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Re: Welcoming Rocket.Chat to Matrix

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

f38zf5vdt wrote: post #42
godelski wrote: post #34

HN frequently seems obsessed with Matrix. So I want to ask, where do you all hang out and how do you use it? I think Matrix is cool, I just am not sure how people are actually using it. Please don't tell me to look at the channels list there's a lot of porn and most channels I have joined are dead.

It's a battle-tested open source Discord/Slack/etc replacement with sound 1-on-1/group chat E2EE encryption. It's like Facebook Messenger:Signal as Slack:Matrix, and it's easy to use software even for people not familiar with dealing with the ins and outs of complicated cryptosystems. Unlike Signal it has always been completely open source.

> Unlike Signal it has always been completely open source.

Honest question: when was Signal closed source, as Signal? I’m not familiar with this. I know it’s roots are in the old Moxie Marlinspike OpenWhisper apps, but that’s a long time ago and the last I looked, Signal open sourced all their code.

Re: Welcoming Rocket.Chat to Matrix

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Post by Arathorn »

godelski wrote: post #34

HN frequently seems obsessed with Matrix. So I want to ask, where do you all hang out and how do you use it? I think Matrix is cool, I just am not sure how people are actually using it. Please don't tell me to look at the channels list there's a lot of porn and most channels I have joined are dead.

The public room list is generally considered a bad idea, and we're seriously considering deprecating it in favour of space hierarchies - i.e. curated hierarchies of groups of rooms, so that folks who like curating lists of interesting rooms can go and do so - rather than them all being dumped in a huge mess in a linear list. There'd then be social pressure to curate the best space index, rather than it being a tragedy of the commons of random lost forgotten rooms.

In terms of where to hang out and where to use it, here are some handy spaces picked from my personal space bar...

* https://matrix.to/#/#community:matrix.org * https://matrix.to/#/#space:ansible.com * https://matrix.to/#/#activitypub-community:codelutin.com * https://matrix.to/#/#wikimedia-space:matrix.org * https://matrix.to/#/#solarpunks:solarpunk.cloud * https://matrix.to/#/#rlang:matrix.org * https://matrix.to/#/#buddies-of-budgie:matrix.org etc etc. This ends up being way higher signal-to-noise than the room list (although there's always the risk that a space will get forgotten and neglected).

Obviously this selection is biased a bit towards open source software, given that's what I'm into, but there are loads of other communities too. Nobody's yet started a big global space tree to help find them (probably because subspace performance needs some work), so the best bet for discovering them otherwise is probably simply through DDG or Google or whatever, looking for folks advertising them on their websites.

Alternatively, you can head off into IRC or some other Matrix server (e.g. mozilla.org) from the room directory selector in your matrix client of choice. Many of my rooms are actually bridged into IRC, XMPP, Slack, Discord etc rather than entirely native Matrix.

Re: Welcoming Rocket.Chat to Matrix

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Post by simonmic »

godelski wrote: post #34

HN frequently seems obsessed with Matrix. So I want to ask, where do you all hang out and how do you use it? I think Matrix is cool, I just am not sure how people are actually using it. Please don't tell me to look at the channels list there's a lot of porn and most channels I have joined are dead.

I hang out in a ton of FOSS projects' rooms / bridged IRC channels / other rooms I saw mentioned in discussion. I use it to give and receive support, to learn, and as an occasional break from work.

https://view.matrix.org is a good list, at least the first few pages seemed SFW, most populous rooms are first, and you can search by keyword.

Once you get into the main room of any large community, check the topic or ask if there's a Space, which gives an organized overview of a community's rooms (in a featureful matrix client like Element).

Re: Welcoming Rocket.Chat to Matrix

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Post by geekgonecrazy »

tuerai wrote: post #39
geekgonecrazy wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rocket.Chat is an opensource team collaboration and omnichannel product. Its team collaboration features would be of the likes of slack / discord etc. The omnichannel features bring in different customer facing channels like facebook/twitter/instagram/whatsapp/telegram/livechat/etc into the tool. Matrix is a protocol with a primary focus on federation. Rocket.Chat is basically adopting the Matrix Protocol to bring Fe…

rocketchat already had federation, but it is/was awful

It definitely was still in its infancy. But I think this is where Rocket.Chat's decision makes tons of sense. Matrix has spent as many years I think as Rocket.Chat focusing on a protocol. So makes perfect sense to leverage all of that time and learnings.

Not to mention it means Federation with anyone that chooses to implement this common protocol. So beyond business interest alone but contributing to the greater ecosystem hopefully.

Re: Welcoming Rocket.Chat to Matrix

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Post by godelski »

TheNewsIsHere wrote: post #45
f38zf5vdt wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a battle-tested open source Discord/Slack/etc replacement with sound 1-on-1/group chat E2EE encryption. It's like Facebook Messenger:Signal as Slack:Matrix, and it's easy to use software even for people not familiar with dealing with the ins and outs of complicated cryptosystems. Unlike Signal it has always been completely open source.

> Unlike Signal it has always been completely open source. Honest question: when was Signal closed source, as Signal? I’m not familiar with this. I know it’s roots are in the old Moxie Marlinspike OpenWhisper apps, but that’s a long time ago and the last I looked, Signal open sourced all their code.

There's gripe from people because they didn't update the GitHub repos for the server code for a bit. Client side code was always up to date. There's also another complaint (imo this one is more legitimate) that Signal only allows messages to be passed through their servers. I don't think the parent is really arguing in good faith tbh.
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