Given the 'tour', it's slack with named threads (that can be pinned). I like that feature. But it seems a pretty small thing. What are the other things that stand out about it? other than being open source.
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I haven't used Rocket.Chat, but I've used the other two: Threading feels bolted on in Mattermost, but is the primary feature of zulip. Think of Zulip as a realtime version of NNTP, and Mattermost as a more modern IRC with a "reply" feature. The "right" way to use Zulip and Mattermost is quite different, though each one can be easily used as an inferior version of the other.
Disclaimer: PM at Mattermost We of course use our own product every day and when I first joined the company in 2019 I also found that threading felt "bolted on". Primarily because channels rendered everything in the same linear feed regardless if it was a message or comment so there wasn't much point in taking the time to first hit reply. However, Collapsed Reply Thread [0] has been a game changer for me and not only…
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#43Big fan of Zulip. Only problem is that you don't get email notifications unless you're directly @ mentioned in a response, even if you're participating in a discussion, and even if they're replying directly to you. Otherwise I find the threading approach to be a big win.
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#44great marketing, but again I can't see anything related to privacy.
If anyone wants to help, I'd love links to privacy pages that folks really like and/or lists of questions that readers would like to see such a page clearly answer.
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It's very easy to self-host. The only real gotcha are mobile notifications, because those are sent through centralized servers not hosted by you (because of how mobile APIs work). You have to choose server-wide between sending none (very private), sending redacted notifications (somewhat private, somewhat useful) or sending the full message in the notification (they see all your messages, but very convenient). Or I g…
https://zulip.readthedocs.io/en/stable/production/mobile-pus... has some more detail around mobile notifications. Our plan is to add end-to-end encryption for mobile push notifications, and we've got a design, but limited progress on implementation. One can follow the issue here: https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/6954 .
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#48It is so bad though.
Obviously subjective but since comments mention UI: I love the web/desktop UI. It's got great power user features including well designed keyboard shortcuts. https://zulip.com/help/keyboard-shortcuts for details (my favorite is "n" for "next topic", which I use every morning to catch up on conversations).
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#50I hope at some point to see a federated implementation of the Zulip communication model over Matrix. https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/356 I'm at a point of choice fatigue with communication platforms where Zulip being siloed is more important than it being open source. I'm phasing out proprietary platforms in a way that will take years and may never complete. I don't want more apps, I don't want another user acc…
Federation would make me almost instantly recommend it for a handful of cases, but in the meantime they have a lot of catching up to do in the privacy department. Behold, the two five year old tickets requesting that they stop passing notification text to Apple/Google cloud messaging: https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/6954 https://github.com/zulip/zulip-mobile/issues/1190 For those who don't know: if you have an…
I'm going to assume good faith in your comment, but I'm really having a hard time doing it, and I'm one of the people who worked for SilentCircle! Another one of those people currently works for Zulip (hey Austin!).
TL;DR: It would take a ton of effort and would basically require a pivot of the business model. Yet you present it as if it's some afterthought that can be tacked on, completely ignoring the fact that all none of their competitors (Slack, Teams, etc) support E2EE.