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Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Can anyone show me statistical evidence that this "great resignation" is anything more than a story made up by the media?

Maybe you should put forward an affirmative argument of non-existence or continuity with the past, etc. Otherwise, you are just asserting formless skepticism -- with no evidence.

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Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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In the UK at least there is huge discontent about the recent pension cuts. The salaries already suck (especially in a technical field such as CS), but a 40% cut to pensions as a reward for the efforts put in to handle COVID is just too much.

Yeah, I'd expect anyone who can get out of the field to do so in the UK; the pensions fiasco is the opposite of a staff retention effort, and in general the profession suffers from a lack of respect.

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Can anyone show me statistical evidence that this "great resignation" is anything more than a story made up by the media?

Maybe you should put forward an affirmative argument of non-existence or continuity with the past, etc. Otherwise, you are just asserting formless skepticism -- with no evidence.

Hmm; I think of it more as the null hypothesis - it is the alternative/proposed hypothesis that would need evidence in my mind. I.e. my daily necessary-for-sanity assumption is that 10 million gazillion things are pretty much the same today as yesterday; if a headline/claim is "This thing has changed/Occurred!", that is what needs evidence in order for claim to be relevant/substantiated/interesting.

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Here in the US, I expect a lot of K-12 teachers to be leaving the field. The additional demands created by Covid were the last straw for many. Their employment contracts are such that they have to give months of notice, so I expect all to be quiet until August, then panic everywhere as slots can't be filled.

Why wouldn't you have expected them to leave last summer? I have a couple friends here in CA who did.

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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In the UK at least there is huge discontent about the recent pension cuts. The salaries already suck (especially in a technical field such as CS), but a 40% cut to pensions as a reward for the efforts put in to handle COVID is just too much.

My understanding, as well, is that as much as the tenure track situation in NA is on the disastrous side of bleak, the European and specifically UK tenure track (or equivalent) situation is almost worse.

I know you pointed out salaries, but the vast majority of junior academics are not interested in chasing higher salaries. They are there for their research and the opportunities to pursue that research.

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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I'm surprised it took them so long to get fed up, reaching the mid-career level. I realized doing my PhD that all of academia is a toxic house of cards built on cheap grad student labor, foreign student tuition and grant beggary, and the false promise to students of at least an interesting (if not particularly well-paid) career. If it took you until mid-career to realize this . . . you weren't observant and I don't really feel that sorry that you were asleep for so long.

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Can anyone show me statistical evidence that this "great resignation" is anything more than a story made up by the media?

The BLS's records of the labor force participation rate alone are pretty intense. https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-lab...

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Universities are in trouble. I know of three that are unable to hire for senior and middle positions. They've been advertising for months. Here (UK), Brexit is partly to blame, along with post Cov19 fatigue, and aging population with many retiring. As I've said in other comments, the main problem is that academia has become hideously corrupted by "professional management" values leading to de-skilling as good people leave.

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Universities are in trouble. I know of three that are unable to hire for senior and middle positions. They've been advertising for months. Here (UK), Brexit is partly to blame, along with post Cov19 fatigue, and aging population with many retiring. As I've said in other comments, the main problem is that academia has become hideously corrupted by "professional management" values leading to de-skilling as good people…

What does "senior and middle positions" mean? Are you talking about something that has the potential to be a tenured position, non-tenured academic positions, or non-academic positions?

Re: Has the ‘great resignation’ hit academia?

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Can anyone show me statistical evidence that this "great resignation" is anything more than a story made up by the media?

Here's some data: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART I'm not gonna claim anything here but do agree what firms / business are mostly complaining about is key employees changing jobs more so than leaving the workforce entirely.

In professional circles, maybe you see some people retiring sooner than they would otherwise would have. Don't know. I haven't really seen that myself though. [ADDED: That's not really true in healthcare. I had two primary care doctors retire on me over the course of a year.] Certainly I've seen a fair bit of motion among fairly senior employees between companies but I don't know how it compares to the baseline.

What anecdotally is the case is that there are a lot of staffing issues for service sector jobs.

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