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Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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By the free market alone, letting everyone get a home sounds like a terrible decision. There's a finite number of people that need a home and by the point everyone gets their own home, your business is doomed. On the other side, letting housing to be crazy expensive, with few people capable of getting a new house, will always be profitable.

If the free market were one entity that could coordinate and say "nobody build more housing, let's squeeze as much money from what we have already", sure, that would be pretty profitable. But if there are enough participants in the marketplace (which depends on the barriers to entry to homebuilding, like regulatory capture, knowledge, capital, and permits) one will want to undercut the others and build houses margina…

>At least this is what I heard in Econ 101

Yeah, and you probably also learned a laundry list of caveats which lead to the principle you're describing being non-applicable. Real estate is not a fully commodifiable good because it is non-fungible. A house in the middle of a city is not the same thing as a house 2 hours out of the city core. There is a limited amount of under-developed land to repurpose, and a limited amount of construction crews and machinery available at any given time to perform the work in question, so building production does not scale linearly with capital investment.

Construction has ALWAYS prioritized high-margin upscale dense construction where possible - if you own a block of rundown downtown shacks, you put a tower on it the moment you can. This isn't the issue - no one's complaining about Canadian Real Estate's ability to build a Class 1 commercial building or a high-end condominium complex. Toronto has been literally the number one city by crane count by a MASSIVE margin for years. The issue is how we can get widespread construction of low margin projects, Low-rise residential complexes, affordable housing, etc.

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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> to bring it back in line with the rest of the world Can you explain what you mean by this? The USA and Canada are both quite low when comparing median home price to median income[0] 0: https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_count...

I see here showing Canada as #7 on the list (House-price-to-income ratio) https://www.statista.com/statistics/237529/price-to-income-r... I live in Canada and have a very high wage and I feel like it is not affordable, but maybe I'm just too cheap!

That seems to be rate of change since 2015?

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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You have vast transient encampments some places (Fresno, the desert, etc) because the homeless are moved from one place to another and sometimes an encampment gets established and so takes a lot of people a lot of place - but usually the homeless are invisible, yes. Edit: not that the alienation of modern society isn't also a factor but people unable to meet their costs of living (especially rent) is factor that shou…

joe_the_user You have entirely missed my point. I broadly agree with what you say, but why is it that the western world are killing themselves in droves, when 2% of the world's population are homeless and close to a billion go hungry every day. what has gone wrong in the society that is supposed to be the flywheel of the global economy? San Francisco and Los Angeles have massive transient drug and SMI issues right no…

I broadly agree with what you say, but why is it that the western world are killing themselves in droves, when 2% of the world's population are homeless and close to a billion go hungry every day. what has gone wrong in the society that is supposed to be the flywheel of the global economy?

I'm not sure what you're saying, that Westerns doing drugs are privileged and ungrateful, unable to deal with the real problems of the world? I guarantee you that the homeless of San Francisco are not privileged.

Suicide is a complex phenomena - the US suicide rate has risen over the last twenty years but it's still below quite a few third world nations. Suicide has decreased in other Western nations, etc. Your article about a rash of suicides doesn't show the most wealthy "dying in droves", one needs to look at statistics to see what's happening.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r...

And

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5463019/

"We found that the hazard ratios of suicide showed an increasing trend as socioeconomic position decreased."

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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That's true, but it's also the case that most Canadians (and Americans) would be very dissatisfied with the quality of Japanese housing. Frankly it's crap -- thin walls, single-pane windows even today, no garages, tiny kitchens with two burners and no ovens... In Japan people are far more reliant on the conscientiousness of their neighbors to maintain a peaceful and quiet environment than people in Canada and the Uni…

That may be true, and it would be nice if people here were so considerate as well... yeah that's not happening. However the ZONING codes could be adopted to much benefit. The BUILDING codes, I still maintain we need to spec even higher, so that I can have a refuge of solitude from the sounds, smells, and presence of Wheaton's Law failing humans.

Is Japan really what unusual? From what I hear the building codes are uniform so the spec for high density housing is similar to that of a single family home.

If builders in Canada have to build high density housing to a more costly specification then it’s justified that they won’t find it cost effective even if given the chance to do so.

In effect, the low cost of Japanese housing could be from both the zoning code and the building code. (As for culture, those two affect culture and are affected by culture so it’s hard to distinguish.)

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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Whats wild about affordable housing in Canada is that for every newly built unit we lose 15. Yet almost nobody is talking about that part. You cant build your way out of the problem before you plug the leak. But there are obvious misaligned incentives to do that. The value system of our economy and culture seems to be obsessed with making basic needs a profit center, at all costs, regardless of the consequence.

I’m not attacking you, your heart is in the right place, but your comment illustrates the problem. Housing absolutely should be a profit center. Home and multifamily builders should be unleashed to build as much housing as they can. Let them be greedy; let them get rich. It’ll make housing more affordable for everyone. High housing costs aren’t a failure of the free market - they’re a failure of central planning at e…

Trickle down economics, housing edition?

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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Two (2) cases of people with a very rare and badly understood disease (severe reaction to pollution) chose assisted suicide because couldn't find a place to accommodate their very special needs. Hence, "Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death"... This click baiting is just grotesque.

One could say this is clickbait, however the number 2 as you I am sure know is equal to, well, one plus one... So. How expensive would it have been to ensure these two Canadians could live? Two expensive I guess? ... I will walk myself right out (and live!) Thank You.

But the law that enabled those people to commit suicide also helps many others. And even if that law didn't exist there wouldn't have suddenly magically been more housing or help available for these two. Helping people who have excellent reasons for no longer wanting to live in no way means that life is worthless and we shouldn't also be helping people live. Obviously, in cases like these, we as a society should try to help give them a better option of life as well.

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Well, if they are determined to do it, this way is better than the alternatives, because it avoids harming others (physically or mentally - there are a lot of train drivers around the world with PTSD from running over people, although they have no chance of stopping in time to avoid it). Of course avoiding the suicide would be the best option...

What if they're not determined to do it, but only do it because it's conveniently available?

I'm not familiar with the laws involved, but I hope they mandate some kind of counseling before making this decision? Which is definitely more than you have when contemplating "unassisted" suicide?

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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Two (2) cases of people with a very rare and badly understood disease (severe reaction to pollution) chose assisted suicide because couldn't find a place to accommodate their very special needs. Hence, "Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death"... This click baiting is just grotesque.

To be more specific, one person choose assisted suicide and the other contemplated suicide.

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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The problem with encouraging builders to go hard with few restrictions is you end up with a low-density urban sprawl that introduces a ton of its own issues. You end up with massively long commutes and a ton of infrastructure that now needs to be maintained, and none of that cost falls on the builder so they happily build fields of new homes miles away from work places or services.

> The problem with encouraging builders to go hard with few restrictions is you end up with a low-density urban sprawl that introduces a ton of its own issues. You only end up with that if that is what sells, i.e. that is what homebuyers want. If the average Canadian didn't want that, the developers would build something else. Your real problem here is with the preferences of the people who buy new homes, and you are…

If 10% of people have the means to be willing to pay 20x for a home constructed in a way that 90% of people can't afford, that is what your average homebuyer wants.

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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That’s true, but take a look at the zoning laws as well. Some places have better zoning laws than the US and Canada. I think that Japan is frequently mentioned here, because there are only a dozen types of zones and all of the ones that allow housing allow the property owner to rebuild at a higher density. (There are several types of industrial–only zones that give them a way to prevent homes from being built too nea…

That's true, but it's also the case that most Canadians (and Americans) would be very dissatisfied with the quality of Japanese housing. Frankly it's crap -- thin walls, single-pane windows even today, no garages, tiny kitchens with two burners and no ovens... In Japan people are far more reliant on the conscientiousness of their neighbors to maintain a peaceful and quiet environment than people in Canada and the Uni…

The quality of the buildings that get built is unrelated to the type of buildings that are allowed.
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