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Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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The problem with encouraging builders to go hard with few restrictions is you end up with a low-density urban sprawl that introduces a ton of its own issues. You end up with massively long commutes and a ton of infrastructure that now needs to be maintained, and none of that cost falls on the builder so they happily build fields of new homes miles away from work places or services.

> The problem with encouraging builders to go hard with few restrictions is you end up with a low-density urban sprawl that introduces a ton of its own issues. You only end up with that if that is what sells, i.e. that is what homebuyers want. If the average Canadian didn't want that, the developers would build something else. Your real problem here is with the preferences of the people who buy new homes, and you are…

This is a terrible argument. The costs associated with building wide, rather than building tall are hidden in future taxes and not disclosed to the homebuyer. Pretending there's some 'all costs' calculator over the useful life of the asset which is presented to homebuyers is incorrect.

Not only that, but tax funds are typically funneled from denser, more sensibly planned areas of cities to the more well-off sprawled suburbs. So people who aren't even involved in the process of participating in the market for sprawl built houses will pay for the resultant externalities created by the need for maintenance.

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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The western world seems to be gripped by a death cult - drug overdoses, assisted suicide, suicide, victim culture - despite having 'the highest standard of living on the planet. What's happened, is it the incredible pressure to perform and get ahead? Very rich school kids are topping themselves in the heart of silicon valley despite having probably some of the best prospects of anyone anywhere. https://www.theatlanti…

What planet are you on? Vast transient encampments?

@op00 to Watch a few videos about San Francisco and LA, east coast cities, visit a few Twitter accounts https://twitter.com/streetpeopleLA etc

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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Also a lot mentally ill people commit suicide this way, because it is legal (at least in Belgium)

Well, if they are determined to do it, this way is better than the alternatives, because it avoids harming others (physically or mentally - there are a lot of train drivers around the world with PTSD from running over people, although they have no chance of stopping in time to avoid it). Of course avoiding the suicide would be the best option...

What if they're not determined to do it, but only do it because it's conveniently available?

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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I’m curious where exactly in the rest of the world you think these cheap homes are in major metropolitan areas? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/12/hong-kong-average-house-pric... Canada doesn’t even make it to the top 3 Edit: I got a bit more curious so found a more up to date article and Van makes it to 3rd: https://www.bosshunting.com.au/lifestyle/real-estate/most-ex... However, you can see that expensive housing is n…

From my reading online, Canada is in the top spots for the most expensive housing when adjusted for income. https://www.statista.com/statistics/237529/price-to-income-r...

Even that chart puts Canada just ahead of the US and Europe for that ratio... I think we maybe just missed the boat on cheap land...

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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Whats wild about affordable housing in Canada is that for every newly built unit we lose 15. Yet almost nobody is talking about that part. You cant build your way out of the problem before you plug the leak. But there are obvious misaligned incentives to do that. The value system of our economy and culture seems to be obsessed with making basic needs a profit center, at all costs, regardless of the consequence.

I’m not attacking you, your heart is in the right place, but your comment illustrates the problem. Housing absolutely should be a profit center. Home and multifamily builders should be unleashed to build as much housing as they can. Let them be greedy; let them get rich. It’ll make housing more affordable for everyone. High housing costs aren’t a failure of the free market - they’re a failure of central planning at e…

I think the challenge is that people assume there’s a free market but in housing that doesnt seem to be the case. Restrictions on height, location, design, building standards, as well as zoning are all constraints that the market operates within. Additionally, many of the affordable units were built with government capital then privatized later only to be torn down or renovicted into different classes of dwelling.

If we had a truly free market up and down the supply chain then perhaps that would alleviate the problem. But that scenario simply does not exist today. Additionally, the market may even correct itself; but not withhout a day on the order of years or decades. Long after those affected will have made decisions as abrupt as perhaps ending their own life.

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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Two (2) cases of people with a very rare and badly understood disease (severe reaction to pollution) chose assisted suicide because couldn't find a place to accommodate their very special needs. Hence, "Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death"... This click baiting is just grotesque.

One could say this is clickbait, however the number 2 as you I am sure know is equal to, well, one plus one... So. How expensive would it have been to ensure these two Canadians could live? Two expensive I guess? ... I will walk myself right out (and live!) Thank You.

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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>By the free market alone, letting everyone get a home sounds like a terrible decision Ah, but that's the thing about the free market. It doesn't care, for better or worse. If the barriers to building new houses are low and demand is high, new houses will get built and prices will drop until an equilibrium is reached. >On the other side, letting housing to be crazy expensive, with few people capable of getting a new…

Notably housing shortages are a new phenomenon, we weren't having this problem earlier in the century. The only difference between now and then is we have far, far more regulations and zoning rules in the way. Technically houses are cheaper to build than in the past, knowledge and building materials are more plentiful, and capital markets are more efficient with more banks offering mortgages. So by multiple measures…

>The only difference between now and then is we have far, far more regulations and zoning rules in the way.

No, the only difference is that a metric fuckton of money which used to be parked in productive equity investments ran out of productive uses because the taps were never turned off and started to slush into the real estate market via REITs.

The price of Toronto RE, for instance, has not tracked with regulatory costs - it has shot up shortly after the aftermath of 2008, when global capital watched Canada have one of the most stable real estate markets skip the fallout of the subprime mortgage crisis. Paired with the rock bottom cost of money, Canadian Real Estate was viewed as a particularly stable investment class, prompting both Foreign Investors and REITs to dump capital into the market. The value in the market is the fact that it WAS better regulated that the competition, but it's now a toxic asset class. No study that I can find indicates that the volume of regulatory costs associated with the Toronto or Vancouver housing markets can be attributed to the specific inflection points associated with our current pricing environment.

Wages cannot support the volume of leverage in the Canadian housing market. The numbers on display as reported by RBC yearly indicate that the average house in Vancouver costs more than 100% of the gross wages of the average worker in the city. This number is typically 30-40% in most functioning RE markets. So if consumer demand literally cannot create the numbers we're seeing, then we need to look at other systemic changes in the demand profile for the asset.

And it's pretty easy to see what's going on if you spend 2 hours calling brokers. Toronto condos aren't sold to people to live there; they're pre-marketed to block investors aiming to purchase groups of units for rentals and finance their purchases with rental cashflows - condominium sales come with rental guarantees for 3-5 years - even if the rental market crashes, even the speculative investors won't feel it until developers start to display counterparty risk issues to increasingly large groups of block investors. So why not leverage yourself to the tits? The entire market has to crater for your investment to fail to produce a return. The underlying cashflow supporting development of these units, rental dollars, don't actually need to exist for the investments to pay off (which makes sense, because they literally cannot as per the income/financing ratio described above).

Beyond this, REITs have a tax advantaged position in respect of other cashflow positive investment classes

The idea that regulatory burden is the cause of cost increases of this magnitude is lunacy.

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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This deeply cynical and distrustful view of govt. is very US-centric. Perhaps it's driven by the fact that govt. frankly stopped working for the average US citizen a long time ago. It doesn't hold true elsewhere in the world. Edited: OP is not the top-voted comment any more, thank goodness.

I've lived in Canada and abroad; I've vacationed a few times in the US so I'm amused my commentary is US-centric. The US and Canadian governments are far, far better in terms of hiding corruption than a lot of other ones. But corruption still exists. There's way more cynicism out there than my commentary. And it would be close to the truth of things. Edit: you probably haven't heard about the bodies they recently exh…

> you probably haven't heard about the bodies they recently exhumed of native school children that the government poisoned

You have invented that story out of whole cloth. You can not provide any story of “recently exhumed, poisoned, Canadian, native children.”

Re: Canadians Unable to Afford Safe Housing Are Turning to Medically-Assisted Death

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MAID is a huge bummer. MAID is one of those things that doctors can't really discuss, because you'll get attacked for it. A lot of Canadian doctors are silenced about this topic. It bears similarity to the avoidance doctors have with speaking (anything at all) about COVID - they're worried about their jobs. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-troubling-debate-ov... The government is being quite clear about this.…

I couldn't read beyond the first few paragraphs. What a horrible situation for that poor man whose family wouldn't let him die. Bastards!

The way they talk about his "baseline" depression getting substantially worse. Then they talk about how they should be making the decisions after taking care of him for 50 years. So he's been suffering since he was 12 and his support system doesn't seem to treat him as an adult who can make his own choices? It's nothing acute. It's something he's been struggling with for half a century that sometimes gets better for a while at best. I don't know the full story, but the quotes from the family make me really uncomfortable. And apparently this is the best argument the author can find against the practice.
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