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Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by andai »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #119
paskozdilar wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Noise pollution is my number one. There is simply no way to escape it living in the city, and there are no job opportunities for software engineers on the countryside (not that it's perfect on the countryside either - given all the motor-based tractors, chainsaws, lawnmowers, leafblowers...). I hate it and it's driving me crazy and all I want is peace and quiet, but apparently, that's too much to ask and I'm spoiled…

Unusually high levels of noise sensitivity (low tolerance) may be an indication of an underlying genetic condition like hEDS.

Interesting, what makes you say that? Autism also typically comes with noise sensitivity and is about 100x more common than hEDS. Or were you suggesting that it may have a genetic basis in general (which would be useful to diagnose)? That makes sense.

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by himinlomax »

lb1lf wrote: post #62
_0ffh wrote: post #33

After reading through the thing, I don't see any DRM at all. Just a simple counter for the machine to know when the cartridge is empty. Frankly, I feel deliberately mislead by the headline, as seems to be getting the norm these days. Edit: Kindly tell me where I'm wrong.

As far as the average end user is concerned, this amounts to the same thing as full-blown DRM; rather than being allowed to do the sensible and (for you as a consumer) cost-effective thing, this counter forces you to replenish detergent supplies at an artificially inflated price.

Using regular bulk detergent is supported, it's not a printer ink situation. The cartridges are just slightly more convenient.

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by Scoundreller »

castratikron wrote: post #240
Scoundreller wrote: post #236

I wonder if OP did things the hard way. I2C eeproms, including their 24C02 has a write-protect line. They could probably enable write protection and the chip would never decrement. Just cut WP off from gnd and attach to vcc (with a pull-up for good measure), or vice-versa and voila. Depends if the machine’s MCU verifies writeability or if the decrement actually happened and cares. Early paytv satellite systems didn’t…

Wondering the same!

I didn’t read their other guide, but yea, they did that. You do have to keep track of your reservoir manually.

https://github.com/dekuNukem/bob_cassette_rewinder/blob/mast...

> The easiest way is to melt the solder on the WP pin, and gently lift it up off the pads so it is no longer making contact

(And then bridge it to vcc).

FYI for anyone that breaks the pin, you can usually scrape into the chip a bit and solder onto the rest of the leg past the point of fracture.

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by andai »

concordDance wrote: post #53
Semaphor wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So which parts are bad enough that you’d prefer medieval serfdom?

It's a shame we can't go back to the pre-serfdom days, before mass agriculture.

See also: The Agricultural Revolution Has Been a Disaster for The Human Race[0]

[0]: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZdjP0NZO-CU

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by sgtnoodle »

bombcar wrote: post #57
throwxxxaway wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can it be that we are just getting old? The new generation will have their brains wired to ignore ads, will be ok with devices spying on them (it will be called something else). And we will be something like that grandpa that can't unblock the mobile phone. (for example, use that new blockchain smart contract to open the fridge and order some food NFTs)

We are getting old - but part of getting old is remembering things that could be repaired instead of thrown away.

The door on our $1200 2 year old refrigerator started cracking at the hinge. I had a credit card warranty on it, so I foolishly tried to hire an appliance repair company to fix it. They charged $150 to look at it for 10 minutes and say all they could do is replace the whole door, and quoted $900. I spent 45 minutes fixing it myself with some extruded aluminum and some rivets. The warranty coverage allowed for self-repair, so I ended up "earning" roughly my equivalent hourly rate as a software engineer.

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Post by LoveGracePeace »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #130
LoveGracePeace wrote: post #103

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It's encouraging to read that young people are starting to get a good foothold on the ground. Tech is cool and helpful but only as far as we can throw it when it breaks.

Agree! please keep up the fight. Use the benefits (like ad blocking making YT watchable) to encourage other young people to fight too!

Hold on there. Ads popping up on YT are annoying but it's up to the user to decide if they are worth the content they're watching, same as TV or print or the radio. Using an Ad blocker in my view is no different than stealing.

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by Scoundreller »

lapser wrote: post #173
belval wrote: post #98

The article is cool but: "£43 ($60) for 90 washes" is roughly in line with puck-style detergent, might even be a bit cheaper so it's not THAT outrageous to me. Not that we should overpay for no reason, but I thought it's still important context.

Not sure what you mean with "puck-style" detergent, but here in the UK, I always tend to buy 100 dishwasher tablets for £12, which works out to £0.12 per wash, and Rinse Aid for £3.50, for which the company claims 80 washes (though I haven't measured), which works out to £0.044 per wash, for a total of £0.164 per wash. £43 for 90 washes is pretty outrageous.

And these are much smaller washes.

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by cjbgkagh »

andai wrote: post #241
cjbgkagh wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unusually high levels of noise sensitivity (low tolerance) may be an indication of an underlying genetic condition like hEDS.

Interesting, what makes you say that? Autism also typically comes with noise sensitivity and is about 100x more common than hEDS. Or were you suggesting that it may have a genetic basis in general (which would be useful to diagnose)? That makes sense.

It’s an example I’m more familiar with, but yes it’s a behavioral indication of a genetic condition. hEDS is massively under diagnosed (by at least an order of magnitude) and many with hEDS have ASD. Someone who is high functioning ASD has a much greater probability of having hEDS. Fewer people have heard of it and it is more treatable.

Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by theturtle32 »

hguant wrote: post #65
causality0 wrote: post #5

I see the point of that dishwasher for someone who doesn't have easy access to a sink like a student in a dorm, but I can't fathom why you'd put one in a house or apartment. With such a tiny capacity you're better off hand washing.

1. Handwashing is water inefficient compared to a lot of dishwashers; if this is something that's important to you, a device like this makes ecologic, if not necessarily economic sense 2. Dishwashers are expensive to people not on tech salaries. All upfront costs are difficult; a smaller upfront payment with a recurring monthly/quarterly subscription payment is much more manageable for many people. 3. There are many…

> renovating isn't happening on a post-doc + special ed teacher's combined salary

It just makes me sad that we so deeply undervalue skilled, highly educated people who choose to dedicate their lives to helping raise up and advance the next generation, and help empower and enable those with disabilities and other disadvantages. The fact that it just seems obvious that these people based on their professions won't be able to afford a remodel goes to show just how deeply ingrained this undervaluing is in our collective psyches. :(

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Post by dkurth »

rsynnott wrote: post #212
dkurth wrote: post #108

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Exactly. We pre-rinse the dishes, get the water running hot before starting the machine, and choose the heavy cycle. Even so, the dishwasher barely cleans our dishes. And it's a Bosch, well reviewed by Consumer Reports when we got it! People in this thread are talking about the SpeedQueen washing machine. Is there something similar for dishwashers? I would pay good money for a dishwasher that actually cleaned my dish…

I'm constantly confused by these threads; the only time I've seen these sorts of problems with dishwashers of any vintage is where people aren't cleaning the filters. You're cleaning the filters, right?

We are now, but there's a little more to it. When we first got this dishwasher, we never cleaned the filters. Our previous washer didn't need that, and we didn't know better.

So it got pretty bad before we realized we needed to do that. We cleaned it very thoroughly at that point and now clean the filters at least weekly, but we still have these problems.

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