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Re: Ask HN: Need help in understanding private equity offer

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> at a valuation of $70B. > it is a very early stage startup. One of these does not fit.

Maybe that B is an M?

Could be but with 607.5MM shares outstanding, that 10k full vest would have a FMV of of a few hundred dollars - they wouldn't even need to give options

Re: Ask HN: Need help in understanding private equity offer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that B is an M?

Nope, it is a B

Raising 17M dollars at a 70B valuation is insane for an early stage company. Assume the shares are worthless. Consider avoiding the company all together because whoever is at the top has no clue how finance works.

At 70M the calculus is much different.

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The $70 billion valuation is suspect. Far too high for nearly all early stage companies. SpaceX raised last year (?) around $100 billion for reference.

I think you misspoke? No company in history has ever raise $100b in a year, but that’s about what SpaceX is valued at now.

Re: Ask HN: Need help in understanding private equity offer

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Without knowing the total number of shares, it's impossible to know what your friend's 10k shares would be worth. e.g. if there are 100M shares total, then his shares would be worth 10k/100M = 0.0001 of the valuation of $70B, i.e. $7M. In order to own these shares, he would have to exercise the options, meaning he would need to pay the strike price of $0.01 per share, i.e. 10k * $0.01 = $100. Also important to note i…

The total number of shares will be limited to 607,500,000

If you believe that valuation then it's ~$1.5M over 3 years. I would personally ask for explanation of the $70B valuation because if it goes for a piddling $500M your friend gets ~$11K over 3 years

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You will need to know the number of share that have been issued to calculate the current price per share.

Price per share also has tax implications.

Strike price means they will have to pay 0.01 per share or $100 total for the stock, which is largely irrelevant.

For example, If only 20k shares have been issued, they will have to pay income taxes on 35B over 3 years.

Is 70B the valuation they are being offered stock at or what the 17m investors payed?

https://carta.com/blog/equity-101-exercising-and-taxes/

https://secfi.com/learn/exercise-stock-options-tax-implicati...

Re: Ask HN: Need help in understanding private equity offer

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The total number of shares will be limited to 607,500,000

If you believe that valuation then it's ~$1.5M over 3 years. I would personally ask for explanation of the $70B valuation because if it goes for a piddling $500M your friend gets ~$11K over 3 years

> if it goes for a piddling $500M your friend gets ~$11K over 3 years

They would get 0, you aren't accounting for seniority.

Re: Ask HN: Need help in understanding private equity offer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that B is an M?

Nope, it is a B

Well then the information you shared strains credulity, facts seems inconsistent & extremely odd- Why is a 17MM financing even worth mentioning if its worth 70B? And there are only a handful of companies even in that ballpark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unicorn_startup_compan...

Re: Ask HN: Need help in understanding private equity offer

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The $70 billion valuation is suspect. Far too high for nearly all early stage companies. SpaceX raised last year (?) around $100 billion for reference.

I think you misspoke? No company in history has ever raise $100b in a year, but that’s about what SpaceX is valued at now.

Spacex has raised about 8B total since founding in 2002

Re: Ask HN: Need help in understanding private equity offer

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The $70 billion valuation is suspect. Far too high for nearly all early stage companies. SpaceX raised last year (?) around $100 billion for reference.

I think you misspoke? No company in history has ever raise $100b in a year, but that’s about what SpaceX is valued at now.

OP clearly means they raised around a $100b valuation.
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