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Re: In praise of the humble Sheffield stand

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Post by thih9 »

deadbunny wrote: post #84
tasuki wrote: post #58

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But... Twitter is unreadable! I get all these weird popups and it requires enormous amounts of effort just to follow the thread. We probably can't fix Twitter. Would it be possible to reconsider the guidelines to allow for alternative views of websites that have absolutely atrocious usability?

I've never had this issue with Twitter threads. Granted I'm signed in and viewing with Firefox + ad blocker.

The experience is different when you're not signed in; you can only view a couple of tweets and then you hit a login wall.

Re: In praise of the humble Sheffield stand

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Post by jml7c5 »

pkdpic wrote: post #25

> known as the "Sheffield rack" or "Sheffield stand" after the city of Sheffield in England where these were pioneered [wikipedia] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_parking_rack Just in case anyone was interested in the etymolology. Also they used to make bike racks out of wood? Sick (?!) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_parking_rack#/media/... PS I loved this post and I agree completely. Bike rack opini…

>Also they used to make bike racks out of wood? Sick (?!)

That photo is relatively recent (2006), and it's quite likely that that bike rack is not very old. It appears to be on the grounds of a hotel estate where locking would be unnecessary and a rural aesthetic is key.

Re: In praise of the humble Sheffield stand

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Post by Angostura »

foobiekr wrote: post #44
blamazon wrote: post #31

In my car-centric city (southeast USA, population ~125k) when I visit private property with no bicycle parking, I try to find the owner and offer to install one of these just for the cost of materials. The idea being, they can put in another one when they see more than one customer on a bicycle at the same time. It's very cheap, less than 100 bucks typically as I have the requisite tools in my garage to make them fro…

If I was an owner, I'd have a lot of problems with this just because I'd be worried there'd be some regulation I was violating that would get me fined.

If the city is paying for them and installing them, I think you have to try quite hard to be worried.

Re: In praise of the humble Sheffield stand

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Post by camtarn »

beachy wrote: post #168
collaborative wrote: post #165

Anecdotal. My new life of biking to work ended on day 1: bike stolen in less than 1 hour. And it was from a Sheffield stand too

Bike theft seems like a problem that could be solved, or at least beaten down a lot. Super easy to attach tracking devices and monitor remotely, then just go around and arrest the thieves. There could hardly be an easier enforcement activity. Why is this not done when it seems like bike theft is at an epidemic level?

You'd think so, yes. In Scotland we have a similar problem with motorcycle theft. And lots of motorbikes have trackers on them. Anecdotally * , though, even providing the address that a stolen tracker is reporting isn't enough for the police to investigate. The thought seems to be that the police are simply chronically underfunded, so they're prioritising whatever their internal targets are - presumably violent crime incidents.

Obviously this will vary hugely by region and police force. Some of them probably would be happy having easy cases handed to them on a plate.

* Very anecdotally! I don't have any stats on this, and the anecdotes come from a fellow biker who is part of an anti motorbike theft campaign group, so take with the appropriate number of grains of salt.

Re: In praise of the humble Sheffield stand

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Post by jml7c5 »

beachy wrote: post #168
collaborative wrote: post #165

Anecdotal. My new life of biking to work ended on day 1: bike stolen in less than 1 hour. And it was from a Sheffield stand too

Bike theft seems like a problem that could be solved, or at least beaten down a lot. Super easy to attach tracking devices and monitor remotely, then just go around and arrest the thieves. There could hardly be an easier enforcement activity. Why is this not done when it seems like bike theft is at an epidemic level?

Bike thieves can be quite professional and experienced, and are likely to figure out common placement points for trackers. Not to mention that they will try to offload the bike quickly anyway, so you have a limited window within which to catch them. And even if you do catch the thief, you'd likely need further evidence to achieve a conviction.

It's a frustrating problem.

Re: In praise of the humble Sheffield stand

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Post by cjrp »

pkdpic wrote: post #25

> known as the "Sheffield rack" or "Sheffield stand" after the city of Sheffield in England where these were pioneered [wikipedia] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_parking_rack Just in case anyone was interested in the etymolology. Also they used to make bike racks out of wood? Sick (?!) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_parking_rack#/media/... PS I loved this post and I agree completely. Bike rack opini…

Makes sense, given Sheffield was a major steelmaking town back in the day.

Re: In praise of the humble Sheffield stand

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Post by codeulike »

levpopov wrote: post #39

While the overall point of simple racks being better definitely stands, the premise that a bike needs two locks is just silly and impractical. Get wheel locks for your bikes - pinhead, hexlox (my favorite), etc. If your wheels are secured to the frame you just need to lock the frame with one lock/chain. Takes way less time to park and you dont need to lug multiple 5lb locks (unfortunately thats how heavy secure locks…

In central london you need two locks, end of story

Re: In praise of the humble Sheffield stand

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Post by WaxedChewbacca »

markmark wrote: post #127
cortesoft wrote: post #120

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Is the risk of someone using a pipe cutter really that high? Seems like if someone is that dedicated they are getting your bike anyway.

I doubt it, bike thieves will just use a battery angle grinder with a cutting wheel on your bike lock, and everyone will absolutely ignore them doing it in the middle of the day.

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Re: In praise of the humble Sheffield stand

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Post by c0balt »

mkl wrote: post #177
m000 wrote: post #172

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> In the UK you absolutely need security No. You absolutely need to get a theft insurance for your bicycle. All bicycles parked outside can be stolen. Any "security" measures you may take just tip the risk-reward calculation of the bicycle thief in your favour, and against the folk parked next to you who didn't know better.

Theft insurance isn't going to get you to your next destination. It's sensible to have, but not an alternative to a couple of good locks.

Fyi, most bike insurances in germany will require you to have your bike locked up against a solid (i.e., non-movable) object with some even putting requirements on locks (shackle diameter, ...). I don't know how much those rules are enforced though I imagine for some claims they may be challenged.

Re: In praise of the humble Sheffield stand

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Post by sandermvanvliet »

Doxin wrote: post #164
Cockbrand wrote: post #52

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That said, there are also a lot of similar and different designs as recommended by the largest German bicycle lobby organization [1]. I'd be curious to know what designs engineers from the Netherlands or Denmark have come up with. [1] https://www.adfc.de/artikel/adfc-empfohlene-abstellanlagen-g...

These[0] used to be rather common in the Netherlands And are actually pretty much fine on the wheel bending front if there's enough bicycles parked . You'll just stick your bicycle at the end of a group of bicycles and it'll be prevented from falling over by its neighbors. Still sometimes seen in lowish traffic areas where theft is not very likely. These days you'll more often see these[1] which are a bunch more dens…

Fun fact, in Netherlands (Rotterdam at least) these things are called “fietsnietjes” which translated is something like: bicycle staples.

In Rotterdam you now also have a “fietsvlonder” where a car parking space is sacrificed to provide bike parking: https://images1.persgroep.net/rcs/O97W6vbddSiXPyu6kiJecLftNS...

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