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Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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I must confess that I've used the train system in Berlin many, many times and never paid because I didn't realize (at first) and later forgot.. Have things changed so that you need to go through a turnstile or similar ticket entry system, or is this just for the RE trains?

There's no gate or turnstile to any kind of rail transport, local or long distance. I wonder how long you managed to travel without a ticket in Berlin though as ticket inspectors are very common.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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As someone using the German railway for a large distance destination couple a weeks ago it was a total disaster, we got stranded in a unfamiliar German city. Deutsche bahn told us they didn’t have any of their (partner) hotel rooms left. Just arrange something yourself. That was very nice because all the hotels were full anyway. It took us another 2 hours of calling to find something. I was exhausted when I finally c…

That's really unlucky. Before the Covid thing I took a long-distance train at least once per month for two decades, and I never managed to get stranded anywhere even when I chose late connections. Normally DB knows the connections passengers have, and it seems that if the last train of the day gets delayed the other trains wait for it to make sure no one gets stranded. I would really have enjoyed staying in one of th…

Lucky you. I was taking Koblenz to Utrecht some years ago and every week there was something going wrong in Germany on the way back. Once they just dropped me off in Bonn, no further service to Koblenz at midnight „sleep on the bench, we aplogize but can’t do anything”.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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As someone using the German railway for a large distance destination couple a weeks ago it was a total disaster, we got stranded in a unfamiliar German city. Deutsche bahn told us they didn’t have any of their (partner) hotel rooms left. Just arrange something yourself. That was very nice because all the hotels were full anyway. It took us another 2 hours of calling to find something. I was exhausted when I finally c…

If you beed to be on time, national flights with Lufthansa for me are close to 100% reliable whereas Deutsche Bahn turned out to be a catastrophe in about 50% of the cases. I still don’t get it: they own the complete network, they control every train on it and arriving on time at a place is like playing roulette. Neither air travel nor traveling by car gives those headaches (especially when you listen to your dynamic…

I like the „nightjets“ where you can sleep and wakeup in another city. Used that a few times.

I have to say, that if I have to be on time somewhere I take the car. DB is too much risk to miss the connecting train and the employees just look at you „well, bad luck. Next train 2h“

When I m on vacation i would file that under „experience“ and would just sit somewhere and sip coffee.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, but the US is 50x larger.

Okay, but with a GDP and population to (out)match, sooo not really relevant. Per capita and per square km, "German train system quality" is a bajillion times better than in the US.

The US has lower population density than Germany, so you need more km of rail to serve the same amount of people. But that only accounts for part of the difference in quality, to be sure

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

#95
Lots of negativity here about the fact that German trains aren’t as great as you would hope. On one hand I understand - I live in Switzerland and the German trains are not as reliable as the Swiss ones. However, I’m an American and as such I am very impressed that Germany is pushing this. This is great news for anyone who cares about climate change or stopping Putin, because it indicates political will to get more people using public transit.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lufthansa rarely gets "Personenschaden" ("injury to persons", an euphemism for "suicide") on their flight paths while Deutsche Bahn has frequently to deal with that. A delayed intercity express train definitely delays departure of other trains that are considered Anschluss(züge) ("connecting trains"). It then ripples through the network.

Then how do other countries get to a reliable service? Japan, Switzerland, France…

Having travel a few times TGV trains across france, while connecting to Switzerland, Belgium and Germany, I wouldn't consider them much better than German ones.

I still have a good story from a TGV travel from Paris back to Geneva that took the double of the time, partial return travel back to Paris, again reversed mid-way back to Geneva, being blocked on a trainstation on the middle of nowhere waiting for restaurant wagon supplies trying to calm down everyone, and finally arriving into Geneva several hours later than expected.

I cut lots of details on that reliable train trip.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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As Swiss (just southern country of Germany fyi), the push for cheaper train is always interesting. However I expect the same level of punctuality and reliability when I would be ready to use train vs my car for work or business trips. I did regularly go to Germany for work (Stuttgart, Karlsruhe and Frankfurt) and regularly had issues with either people causing trouble and police needed to board, suicide (sad but a re…

Unless things changed from when I used to live there, even with Swiss salary, any sort of demi-tarif even with Swiss salaries, is requirement for using the trains regularly.

However I really do miss their pontuallity.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

#98

I must confess that I've used the train system in Berlin many, many times and never paid because I didn't realize (at first) and later forgot.. Have things changed so that you need to go through a turnstile or similar ticket entry system, or is this just for the RE trains?

There's no gate or turnstile to any kind of rail transport, local or long distance. I wonder how long you managed to travel without a ticket in Berlin though as ticket inspectors are very common.

From my experience, maybe one in ten or twenty trips gets checked, but it does depend on the time of day and which line you take.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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post #75

As Swiss (just southern country of Germany fyi), the push for cheaper train is always interesting. However I expect the same level of punctuality and reliability when I would be ready to use train vs my car for work or business trips. I did regularly go to Germany for work (Stuttgart, Karlsruhe and Frankfurt) and regularly had issues with either people causing trouble and police needed to board, suicide (sad but a re…

Public transportation is always a waste of time in the end. If you can afford a car, I wouldn't use a train.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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In Cornwall, UK, the local council has started something similar but not just for summer. Now a person can buy 7 day ticket for £10 and can travel anywhere in Cornwall on any bus. The stated goal for this policy is to encourage people to use public transport as much as possible, and to nudge older citizens to use public transport instead of driving themselves.

More needs to be done by the government. I was interested to learn the other day that Great British Rail will recieve the same, if not less, in subsidies. It's purely to 'streamline' buying tickets and the ticket costs will be barely effected.

It's being fronted as preventing further taxpayer costs, but I can't but feel maybe if there weren't a million private ToC's and the RoC's bleeding the railways dry this would be a non-issue.

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