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Why the Fed wants corporate America to have a hiring freeze

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It never occurred to me but inflation is not necessarily a political problem, and perhaps even might be considered a good thing. Who doesn’t love the stock market going up?

However inflation in consumer staples, energy, and gasoline is an enormous political problem. So what to do?

The “solution”: expansive monetary policy is completely okay so long as most people don’t get any of it.

Inequality is a substantially smaller political problem than the price of gasoline being too high.

Re: Why the Fed wants corporate America to have a hiring freeze

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I don't understand what's going on there. Could someone please ELI5? Why is the labour market so hot in the first place? Shouldn't we all be looking for better (as in actual market rate) compensation?

The labor market is hot because the proportion of of the population working is down 8% since 2000, and a significant portion of the population have more cash and are buying more than ever. This came to a head during the pandemic when the number of workers spiked down and money rained from the sky https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

This is what population stagnation looks like, wups there are no young people to fill some jobs…

Re: Why the Fed wants corporate America to have a hiring freeze

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“ He’s talking to corporate America, and his goal is to have companies essentially institute a hiring freeze and end the cycle of paying up for new hires.” Ahaha. What.

Beats me. Looking at the article it looks like the whole narrative is basically from "Nicholas Colas, co-founder of DataTrek". There's no signs that anyone else agrees with his narrative. Also, searching up his name I found this on the first page:

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/asked-answered/datatrek-resear... (paywalled but the url slug should be enough to infer the content)

Make of that what you will.

Re: Why the Fed wants corporate America to have a hiring freeze

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It never occurred to me but inflation is not necessarily a political problem, and perhaps even might be considered a good thing. Who doesn’t love the stock market going up? However inflation in consumer staples, energy, and gasoline is an enormous political problem. So what to do? The “solution”: expansive monetary policy is completely okay so long as most people don’t get any of it. Inequality is a substantially sma…

The problem with expansive monetary policy is it trickles down, but not much gets to the bottom. Stock goes up, but workers not invested in the stock market don't like it going up. Everyone who already has stock gets richer, and buys real goods and assets. When those goods are produced overseas or by automation, not much makes it to wage workers.

Eg the last 2 years where people saw their 401k double, and cost of goods and housing went up.

Re: Why the Fed wants corporate America to have a hiring freeze

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The labor market is hot because the proportion of of the population working is down 8% since 2000, and a significant portion of the population have more cash and are buying more than ever. This came to a head during the pandemic when the number of workers spiked down and money rained from the sky https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

This is what population stagnation looks like, wups there are no young people to fill some jobs…

Part of it is the boomers retiring, but the population pyramid is is fairly stable. [1]

The bigger issue is fewer young people are working every year. [2]

  16 to 19: -24% in the last 20 years 

  20 to 24: -11% in the last 20 years. 

  25 to 34: -3% in the last 20 years. 
Meanwhile, older people are working more than ever. This exaserbates issues of inequality. Essentially the young and poor are working less and the old and established are working more than ever. Without judgment on their reasons for working or not, it seems like rate of younger generations participating in the workforce is falling much faster than the size of the size of the younger generation is shrinking.

https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2... https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/civilian-labor-force-particip...

Re: Why the Fed wants corporate America to have a hiring freeze

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It never occurred to me but inflation is not necessarily a political problem, and perhaps even might be considered a good thing. Who doesn’t love the stock market going up? However inflation in consumer staples, energy, and gasoline is an enormous political problem. So what to do? The “solution”: expansive monetary policy is completely okay so long as most people don’t get any of it. Inequality is a substantially sma…

Inflation is necessary to a certain degree to decrease savings rate in the economy and promote capital flow.

Re: Why the Fed wants corporate America to have a hiring freeze

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It never occurred to me but inflation is not necessarily a political problem, and perhaps even might be considered a good thing. Who doesn’t love the stock market going up? However inflation in consumer staples, energy, and gasoline is an enormous political problem. So what to do? The “solution”: expansive monetary policy is completely okay so long as most people don’t get any of it. Inequality is a substantially sma…

Ultimately, every asset class, including money, is something people can choose to migrate to or away from according to their ability to trade it for another asset. And with a money, the promise is that you can exchange it for anything else; so if everyone has more money they have more agency to trade for goods and services of all types. The problem is twofold:

1. Without an intervention you get the sharp shock of exuberance and crash; this behavior defined 19th century economies and eventually the 1930's depression and its following war that motivated adoption of Keynesian interventionist policy. Economic theory in the academy today is routinely defined in "post-war" terms, as if the preceding centuries did not exist, outside of researchers who make it their speciality.

2. With interventions, you introduce some form of market distortion no matter which way you frame it. The original Keynesian experiment approached a crisis in the late 1960's, because it pushed for fiscal interventions(government spending) which soaked up demand that would have gone to other sectors; when you do this, the other sectors experience rising prices, resulting in the stagflation that defined the 1970's. The transition into the Reagan era(a gradual series of shifts that mostly occurred in the 70's, marked finally with Paul Volker's new Fed policy) marked the shift towards a "lean and mean" neoliberalist approach with rising inequality, as you note: instead of trying to expand the economy through fiscal policy, we began the monetary-focused regime that has lasted up until now, of tuning inflation rates through fiat policy with a focus on allowing capital to redeploy itself wherever it saw fit. This era created a pretty harsh recession, but it did motivate growth again. But inequality eventually drags down an economy by a similar mechanism of "borrowing demand" from consumers and giving it over to capital, and since the strategy is to stimulate with low interest rates as necessary, and regulatory capture has favored keeping the good times a-flowing, we've used it more and more since 2008, until we've ended up in another stagflation crisis marked by our successively larger and larger asset bubbles. Eventually the chickens come home to roost and the resulting asset speculation carries over into consumer prices.

And that's the kind of crisis that existentially threatens the dollar, because if even consumer staples are holding their value better, there is no reason to hold a dollar position, and therefore to trade and be taxed in it. The bet we are making by holding dollars is not really that this can be fixed in any permanent way, but that it can at least hold out for another cycle of growth. And that leads to the headline: pushing up unemployment is one way to suppress dollar demand. It's more palatable than having a war to reallocate assets, at least.

Re: Why the Fed wants corporate America to have a hiring freeze

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“ He’s talking to corporate America, and his goal is to have companies essentially institute a hiring freeze and end the cycle of paying up for new hires.” Ahaha. What.

They’re trying to avoid a wage-price spiral which would likely lead to stagflation.

Re: Why the Fed wants corporate America to have a hiring freeze

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It never occurred to me but inflation is not necessarily a political problem, and perhaps even might be considered a good thing. Who doesn’t love the stock market going up? However inflation in consumer staples, energy, and gasoline is an enormous political problem. So what to do? The “solution”: expansive monetary policy is completely okay so long as most people don’t get any of it. Inequality is a substantially sma…

Inflation is necessary to a certain degree to decrease savings rate in the economy and promote capital flow.

So it's basically a tax which is really hard to evade, and which sort of "happens" instead of being voted for.
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