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Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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I do not share your experience. I used to commute weekly for 1,75 hours in one direction with ICE. I had rarely problems that lasted more than 5 minutes. There was no change of trains required which might help here.

Let me guess: Your commute was in East Germany? Reliability is a lot better there [1] [1] https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10652-bahnmining_-_punktlichkeit...

No, it was the route from Hamburg to Munich or similar.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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As someone using the German railway for a large distance destination couple a weeks ago it was a total disaster, we got stranded in a unfamiliar German city. Deutsche bahn told us they didn’t have any of their (partner) hotel rooms left. Just arrange something yourself. That was very nice because all the hotels were full anyway. It took us another 2 hours of calling to find something. I was exhausted when I finally c…

Maybe worth noting that the 9-euro ticket is only for local public transport, such as buses, subways, or regional trains. Only the latter (RE) are operated by Deutsche Bahn, whereas buses and subways are mostly ran by local companies.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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This should be a standard scheme all across Europe. Given the high population density and relatively short distances - such a scheme would greatly reduce congestion and provide a cheaper way of transport (apart from reducing dependency). This scheme should be made permanent. The lack of access to high speed ICE trains is a hinderance. There should be a way a 9Euro ticket allows access to ICE trains twice a week with…

As someone who just made the switch from planes to trains (I regularly travel on an inner-german route where planes do make sense): If the hordes would invade ICEs, I would go back to the airport. Long-distance rail is over-encumbered as it stands, and more people means less reliability.

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Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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> When the German parliament approved a new measure this month slashing public transit fares nationwide for three months this summer, the move reflected the severity of the nation’s energy crisis. To reduce its heavy reliance on Russian gas and oil after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Germany is desperate to find ways to reduce its fuel consumption and push more drivers to take trains and buses.

The entire premise that Germany is "mortally reliant" on Russian gas is plainly wrong.

Double digit of gas Germany imports ends up as its electricity exports. Only 20% of the gas actually goes to the industry.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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I'm pretty sure Europe is bigger than US surface wise.

If you take a traditional definition of Continental Europe, including islands like Britain and Ireland, and going all the way into Russia as far as the Ural and Caucasus mountains, then Europe is slightly larger than the USA. But if you're talking about just the European Union, then the EU is much smaller than the USA. Less than half the land area.

> Continental Europe, including islands like Britain and Ireland,

Continental Europe doesn't include Britain and Ireland.. That's kind of the point of the phrase.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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As someone using the German railway for a large distance destination couple a weeks ago it was a total disaster, we got stranded in a unfamiliar German city. Deutsche bahn told us they didn’t have any of their (partner) hotel rooms left. Just arrange something yourself. That was very nice because all the hotels were full anyway. It took us another 2 hours of calling to find something. I was exhausted when I finally c…

The mess of DB isn't that much different from how the oligarchs in a lot of eastern European countries came to be. Privatization without real plan. Privatize the profits and socialize the losses. The rails near Hamburg Altona are rotting, but the Bahn didn't want to foot the bill. So they came up with a horrible new station somewhere else. As a result the city chipped in to make a better one and pay of it from tax mo…

So, echoing what eisstrom wrote: Deutsche Bahn is fully state owned. That phrase about "privatizing the profits and socializing the losses" is a common but still mindless form of dross in this case. I do understand why it gets a particular group of uninformed people to upvote your comment out of reflex though. You use it as click-bait, sort of, while building a convoluted argument that presumably very few of those upvoters actually grok.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bahn

Deutsche Bahn AG is the national railway company of Germany. Headquartered in the Bahntower in Berlin, it is a private joint-stock company (AG), with the Federal Republic of Germany being its single shareholder.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

#47
In Cornwall, UK, the local council has started something similar but not just for summer. Now a person can buy 7 day ticket for £10 and can travel anywhere in Cornwall on any bus. The stated goal for this policy is to encourage people to use public transport as much as possible, and to nudge older citizens to use public transport instead of driving themselves.

Re: Germany is offering a summer of cheap trains

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This is first and foremost a subsidy scheme to give public transit providers some more money - many people will buy the 9 euro ticket which before did not buy monthly tickets - and for each such ticket, the state will give the public transit provider the difference to a full month ticket, up to 200 Euros. 1. The casual public transit rider will get one of these tickets: 9 Euros is like three rides on the Berlin subwa…

> This is first and foremost a subsidy scheme to give public transit providers some more money - many people will buy the 9 euro ticket which before did not buy monthly tickets - and for each such ticket, the state will give the public transit provider the difference to a full month ticket, up to 200 Euros.

Do you have a source for that? Considering that the federal government considers 2.5 billion Euro enough to cover the costs, this sounds false. As far as I'm informed the transport authorities will just get their current costs covered.

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