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Food security and the coming storm

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Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by tomjen3 »

guerrilla wrote: post #76
code123456789 wrote: post #71

LOL. The article says that to fix the issue we need some international efforts and blah blah blah. Bullshit. All we need is to sink down russian ships in Black sea. Even better will be to help with the liberation of both Kherson and Crimea regions. Zaporizhzhya and Donbas can be liberated later, but Bastion rockets in Crimea endanger ports in Odesa and Yuzhne. This is the easiest way to provide food to emerging marke…

> All we need is to sink down russian ships in Black sea. Yeah, I'm sure nuclear war will be good for food pirces.

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Re: Food security and the coming storm

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DeathArrow wrote: post #104

This might mean new waves of immigration from Middle East and Africa to Europe. The last ones caused some stirring. I expect a new wave will cause, too. So we can see some pressure from European governments for finding solutions to end the war.

That should be no problem: stop them at the border.

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by thriftwy »

stevenjgarner wrote: post #102
codenesium wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You pump it back out into the ocean.

Probably fine for small-scale use, but on a planetary scale increased salinity could dramatically influence marine biodiversity, not to mention climate from thermohaline circulation disruption [1] https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/tutorial_currents/05...

It's not possible to change ocean salinity by any measurable amount by desalination. Except maybe for some very closed off seas, which are already less saline than the ocean.

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Post by ziml77 »

joenathanone wrote: post #70
atq2119 wrote: post #24

This is why, in normal times, food waste is a good thing. It means there's some slack in the system for when times get worse. Not that that helps people in poorer countries, unfortunately.

Such a short sighted comment, no, it would be best to have an efficient system where excess food could either be stored or delivered to those with food insecurities.

Perfect efficiency is how you end up with small disruptions turning into big problems. Compensating for lost production in one place by ramping it up elsewhere is not as quick as flipping a switch. Especially when your food needs a season to grow.

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by ziml77 »

lotusmars wrote: post #29
ImHereToVote wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I guess all those ethnic Russians that live in Mariupol are all payed actors. And those concrete buildings that are all in actuality flattened. Elaborate actors, the whole lot.

Yep, saying this as a Russian, Russian media will show you a small part of the city with a staged crowd carrying Russian flags and tell you it's the whole city. They've done it for years. It's a shame some people in the West are fooled by these cynical lies. For others reading it, just google areal videos of Mariupol from The Guardian or BBC. It's shocking how West allowed this to happen in 21st century.

What's a shame is that people are so distrustful of the news and government here that they think that anything that says the opposite of what they hear from those sources must be the actual truth.

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

devchix wrote: post #93
csydas wrote: post #85

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I disagree at large, but give exception to at least the US due to how cities are built. I am not a chef by any means or even a cook, but I learned how to cook in University due to being unbelievably poor and got tired of "low budget fast meals". Quotes because I don't think that the meals that fall into this category are at all better than their "proper" counter parts. Prepping a quick pasta with béchamel does not ta…

I'm in a suburb of a large metropolitan area in the US. The grocery store is abundant, but 20 minutes away, I make one main trip to the store weekly, and a couple of side trips to other stores, eg Mexican/Asian groceries. We have different POV because of our geographic differences, I think. I do not think complicated recipes are good in and of themselves. Pasta + bechamel is easy, you can't do this 5 nights a week. I…

Get a slow cooker. This allows you to arbitrage earlier time to do prep (before work, or during a break if WFH), set it up and forget about it for a few hours. As a bonus, it tends to taste good even if you don't pre sear or saute the ingredients.

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by guerrilla »

tomp wrote: post #107
DeathArrow wrote: post #104

This might mean new waves of immigration from Middle East and Africa to Europe. The last ones caused some stirring. I expect a new wave will cause, too. So we can see some pressure from European governments for finding solutions to end the war.

In the last wave, only one country (Hungary) handled the problem sensible (building a wall, encouraging locals having more kids). The rest of the governments mostly pretended the problem doesn't exist. I expect this to change with any future waves. It's hard to be a trendsetter, but easy to be a follower.

> In the last wave, only one country (Hungary) handled the problem sensible (building a wall, encouraging locals having more kids).

You left out the part about turning to fascism. Anyway, none of what you mentioned helped immigrants nor resolved the reason for their immigration, so it seems more like the least sensible being that it was a complete failure.

> The rest of the governments mostly pretended the problem doesn't exist.

Excuse me? This isn't remotely true. It was the main topic for half a decade. We housed, clothed, fed and educated millions of people in need of our help and it was an amazing success!

Re: Food security and the coming storm

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Post by atq2119 »

joenathanone wrote: post #70
atq2119 wrote: post #24

This is why, in normal times, food waste is a good thing. It means there's some slack in the system for when times get worse. Not that that helps people in poorer countries, unfortunately.

Such a short sighted comment, no, it would be best to have an efficient system where excess food could either be stored or delivered to those with food insecurities.

Excess food is being stored, but it can't be stored indefinitely.

Others have explained again why excess food is a good thing.

One thing in favor of your point is that we can still improve the system: avoid excess production of processed food, and find optimal uses for excess food that isn't eaten (compost, biofuels, etc.).

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