If the office is so great, pay me extra for the commute.
Workers quitting over return-to-office policies
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#42Of course this is happening. I’m coming up on year 10 of working remotely, and year 2 of completely async. The only forced-commute job I ever had was for 6 months right out of college. I’ve been preaching remote work for almost the entire time I’ve been doing it. I thought it would catch on much sooner, but it’s here now. I think async is the next thing that will happen. If you’re building software there’s really no…
Incompetent engineers need to share work hours, otherwise they will get stuck and not get much done if nobody has overlapping times to help them. Not all engineers are high caliber.
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#43>Freedman agrees, pointing to firms like Spotify that are continuing to pay New York City-level salaries to workers no matter where they're based. Is that true? Will I get $200k in eastern eu?
If I have to guess, they mean within US
So Spotify employees in Stockholm would earn differently than the ones in the US? Doesn't really sound like "continuing to pay New York City-level salaries to workers no matter where they're based" if that's the case.
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Here's a source that says they pay the same no matter if you're in the office or at home (basically), but it's limited to countries Spotify agrees you can be in:
> Location choices – we will also introduce more flexibility when it comes to what country and city each employee works from (with some limitations to address time zone difficulties, and regional entity laws in the initial rollout of this program).
- "Introducing Working From Anywhere" - https://hrblog.spotify.com/2021/02/12/introducing-working-fr...
- "Distributed-First Is the Future of Work at Spotify" - https://newsroom.spotify.com/2021-02-12/distributed-first-is...
Re: Workers quitting over return-to-office policies
#44Counterpoint: For many careers remote work deprives young workers of mentoring, relationship building, and learning by osmosis. This is already being seen at law firms for example.
So, enjoy your remote work - and for many professions it won't be an issue - but for some careers watch as your in-person colleagues advance faster, earn more & enjoy greater trust and responsibility.
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#45I'm still genuinely uncertain why companies are so desperate to get staff into the office.
'Business people' like HR, sales, marketing LOVE being together in person; Engineers somewhat less so. Given that companies tend to be run by 'business people' then yeah I think I just answered my own question.
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#46Of course this is happening. I’m coming up on year 10 of working remotely, and year 2 of completely async. The only forced-commute job I ever had was for 6 months right out of college. I’ve been preaching remote work for almost the entire time I’ve been doing it. I thought it would catch on much sooner, but it’s here now. I think async is the next thing that will happen. If you’re building software there’s really no…
Maybe this works as an IC that has no collaborative aspect to their day-to-day but as an IC leader async adds material pauses and latency into projects. If everybody is ok with everything taking longer at the start and end of projects then cool (the middle implementation phase is less impacted) but taking a day to answer a question that could have taken minutes is not a bonus.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I like the concept of async work but I’m also scared of how transactional that would make work. Most companies that preach async now have a very strong, “friendly” culture. If async catches on more widely I’m worried it would be the final push to make software development purely transactional and performance/pay would be directly tied to metrics. I enjoy the human component of work. I don’t like _all_ of my coworkers…
I am beginning to think that many remote developers will eventually become 1099 contractors who can pick up random gigs. Because let’s be honest, the reason most of these folks are doing this is because they don’t give a crap about the specific company or anything like that. They just want to build cool shit that other people spec out. As long as the pay is competitive one day they might be building a healthcare mobi…
I disagree.
Y team sits in Montreal. Not my choice but I'm fine with it
I'm not less dedicated to my current company than before COVID.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no silver lining and the next pandemic will play out raw, just like this one. Antivaxers will blame it on Bill Gate's son and 6G. That is because of human stupidity - it's immutable and ever present. So my hope is that science will come up with better vaccines quickly and natural selection will trim off the Enlightened to a more tolerable level.
Hopefully “the next pandemic” will not be like this one at all. Because how “the experts” handled this one was shamefully wrong. At virtually every decision point these “experts” did the exact wrong thing. From years of school closures to two years of forced masks to intentionally frightening the daylights out of people. They did everything wrong. History will not look fondly at what was done. I hope to god we never…
How else would an someone, expert or not, respond to an contagious airborne virus other than masks and closing schools/offices??
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I like the concept of async work but I’m also scared of how transactional that would make work. Most companies that preach async now have a very strong, “friendly” culture. If async catches on more widely I’m worried it would be the final push to make software development purely transactional and performance/pay would be directly tied to metrics. I enjoy the human component of work. I don’t like _all_ of my coworkers…
I am beginning to think that many remote developers will eventually become 1099 contractors who can pick up random gigs. Because let’s be honest, the reason most of these folks are doing this is because they don’t give a crap about the specific company or anything like that. They just want to build cool shit that other people spec out. As long as the pay is competitive one day they might be building a healthcare mobi…
I've been working remotely for years, and for companies that literally didn't have offices to work from. Everyone was 100% remote, and I can assure you that didn't have any impact whatsoever on people's passion for their work or the company they worked for.
I've seen people in an office not give a damn (literally doing a phone interview for a position at a different company at his desk), and totally remote people probably care a little too much, and everything in-between.
Re: Workers quitting over return-to-office policies
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I like the concept of async work but I’m also scared of how transactional that would make work. Most companies that preach async now have a very strong, “friendly” culture. If async catches on more widely I’m worried it would be the final push to make software development purely transactional and performance/pay would be directly tied to metrics. I enjoy the human component of work. I don’t like _all_ of my coworkers…
I am beginning to think that many remote developers will eventually become 1099 contractors who can pick up random gigs. Because let’s be honest, the reason most of these folks are doing this is because they don’t give a crap about the specific company or anything like that. They just want to build cool shit that other people spec out. As long as the pay is competitive one day they might be building a healthcare mobi…
Is one supposed to be anything but a mercenary? Should I believe in the product for the sake of making the CEO a billionaire?
People should care iff they are given meaningful equity, as in life changing, otherwise they should be professional, like accountants and lawyers, but jump ship whenever it’s convenient.