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Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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I'm in my 40s and I started a machine learning degree in Nov 2020, so it's been about 1.5 years for me till now. I am a slow learner and my recommendations may reflect the same. 1) Maths (precalculus and calculus) - I started with Khan Academy 10th grade onwards. I finished till grade 12 in a week. By this time I had gone through content elsewhere, so 1 week may (not) be enough. Regardless, Khan Academy app comes hig…

I found Khan Academy's lectures on Linear Algebra closer to the pace I needed.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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I was an A+ student up to Sophomore year in HS. I downgraded to A or B+ student after I knew how much fun actual learning is. Before that, all I was doing was memorizing and practising heuristics to get A+. I actually started learning Science since 11th grade. I grew and grew. And my scores tanked. Got only 6.xx/10 in college as well. But no regrets. Learning Math properly gave me a super solid foundation to learn De…

Absolutely need to check out 3Blue1Brown on youtube, especially for visual learners.

I think that the fact that there are special types of learners have been debunked thoroughly.

Veritasium recently made a video, too [0].

3b1b is a fantastic supplementary resource. But you can't start with it, or use it as your primary resource. That would be a mistake.

[0]: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rhgwIhB58PA

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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> Now I do my semi-dream job as a Deep Learning Research Engineer building actual products with Deep Learning. > I have a truly realistic chance of getting my dream job within the end of this calendar year. So what’s your dream job? :-)

It’s a cliche, but yeah, Google. Or any co/startup doing "deep tech" in the area of Deep Learning. I am doing _applications of DL_ now, want to do actual DL.

Side-related note: You'll get there (actual DL), because your "want" is close enough to determination (as opposed to mere motivation, i.e. conscious decision versus mere fleeting feelings).

On academia and grades: yes, it's a "dark time" (as in "Dark Ages" for what we mean by it, regardless of the veracity of that historical perception). I often summarize all those collective F-ups by remarking that most people, either individually or collectively as institutions, have lost their purpose, they "have no mission in life" so to speak. Thus, we lose sight of the endgame, of the actual purpose of education for instance.

That's not about to change if the now widespread intuition that most institutions have been rotting too much for too long is true, so the solution might be some historical disruption of the domain — I think Khan was an early ripple in those foundations.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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Besides Khan Academy (which is excellent) and other online resources, I would buy text books, and then do everything in the textbook. I mean everything. Read everything in the chapter, work through every example problem, do every practice exercise. Do not skip ahead, or assume you understand without actually doing. And find someone who can answer your questions. I don't like asking for help, but that's held me back.…

https://openstax.org/subjects/math

For free online textbooks these ones seem to have good reputation on the Internet. I did the 'pre-algebra' and 'algebra and trigonometry' books, found them good. Do all the excersices (very important), sometimes I got stuck (every books misses edge cases) so be prepared to look at other resources.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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I've done this and would echo the good advice you've already gotten about Khan Academy but I think the comments in this thread are skipping over the most important part: pace. Work slowly. Don't move on until you really "get" the concept you're working with. Some topics might "click" right away and others might take weeks of bashing your head against the wall until your brain makes sense of it. That's okay. It can de…

> Don't move on until you really "get" the concept you're working with. Some topics might "click" right away and others might take weeks of bashing your head against the wall until your brain makes sense of it.

Careful. This can sometimes be counterproductive. It is often the case that one concept taught when learning a subject will be applied as part of teaching the next concept.

The best way to learn that first concept in many cases is not to focus on it until you really "get" it but rather to just get enough of it for how it is used for teaching the next concept. Then you move on to the next concept and the application of that first concept there gets you experience using the first concept which solidifies your grasp of the first concept and makes you truly "get" it.

The application of earlier concepts throughout the subsequent material can be in effect a kind of natural spaced repetition for learning the earlier concepts.

I think that deciding when to move on is one of the hardest things in self-learning, especially if the subject is new enough to you that you can't use your experience in a related subject to help guide you. You don't know enough to know when you've learned enough to go on.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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If you are far behind start with Khan Academy. Then there are MOOCs on Coursera and eDX as well. Less interactive but 100% Real deal (and it doesnt mean harder) are course materials often with videos from MIT Open CourseWare. If you are into ML do Gilbert Strang Linear Algebra. It will develop you so much that it can’t be understated. Buy his book and do exams and assignments. If you want to take pleasure in math there are brilliant channels on yt, for example Numberphile. GL man.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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post #106

If you are far behind start with Khan Academy. Then there are MOOCs on Coursera and eDX as well. Less interactive but 100% Real deal (and it doesnt mean harder) are course materials often with videos from MIT Open CourseWare. If you are into ML do Gilbert Strang Linear Algebra. It will develop you so much that it can’t be understated. Buy his book and do exams and assignments. If you want to take pleasure in math the…

Ps. Strang comes with recordings which are on yt as well.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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I'll just mention: From a scientific perspective, this is absolutely the wrong advice. If you couldn't understand something yesterday, that's very good evidence you won't make sense of it today. You should work hard, go deep, and try hard problems, but if you fail to understand something after putting in the effort, just move onto something else. Learn a few unrelated things, and come back. Much of the time, if you c…

Care to share the science? This sounds more like a learner's internal/external locus of control. If you believe you are capable of figuring something out you're probably right and likewise if you believe you can't.

I'd recommend rereading my post. The problem with education research is that there's a hundred years of it. I listed the two in my original post. A longer list:

- Bruner's work on spiral curriculum, and follow-up work. Spiral curricula are mis-implemented in most schools which claim to use them; it's not review. It's successive passes going deeper.

- Cognitive work on progressions such as surface->deep->transfer learning (Hattie) or chunking

- Physics education research on complex multiconcept problems

- Spacing effect. You can go all the way back to 1885 with Ebinghaus, but the esoteric author of supermemo seems to have done the best work here. If you prefer the academic establishment, there's a ton.

- There's a bunch of science that about 2/3s of what we learn, we're not aware we're learning or teaching. Concepts support each other, deeply. Kaplan, back when Bror was there, did a bunch of nice work there. It's easier to learn long division if you know a bit of algebra, and vice-versa. Chemistry helps learn physics, and physics helps learn chemistry. This was supported with pretty independent methodologies in independent domains (data analysis from tests, cognitive task analysis, etc.).

... and so on. This has very little to do with affect. It's a very well-established, rarely-applied set of results.

A complete lit review here would be book-length, at least.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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post #94

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> Now I do my semi-dream job as a Deep Learning Research Engineer building actual products with Deep Learning. > I have a truly realistic chance of getting my dream job within the end of this calendar year. So what’s your dream job? :-)

It’s a cliche, but yeah, Google. Or any co/startup doing "deep tech" in the area of Deep Learning. I am doing _applications of DL_ now, want to do actual DL.

> Or any co/startup doing "deep tech" in the area of Deep Learning.

Send me a message, my email is in my profile.

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