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Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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High-school dropout with a phd in a social science here. My grades weren’t good enough to study math during undergrad and I was dealing with a chronic illness that meant I didn’t have my shit together enough to transfer into a useful degree either. I’m a machine learning scientist at a company you’ve heard of and probably spent money on (not FAANG). Math is a big part of my day job.

Here’s what I did to learn math. I wouldn’t recommend this path. You will have a much easier time getting a job with a quantitative degree. You’re only 26, so you can go back to school without really losing much time. If you must do it this way, do the exercises, do the exercises, do the exercises, build a portfolio, and do the exercises.

Calculus/Analysis

Stewart single var calculus, then the multivar book. These are easy starters

Real analysis: Series, Functions of Several Variables, and Applications. Miklós Laczkovich, Vera T. Sós

Spivak Calc and Calc on Manifolds books

Bonus: Advanced Calculus A Geometric View, Callahan. This is what I turn to when I want to punish myself or remind myself how certain analysis proofs go.

Linear Algebra

Strang, Intro to LA is great. Start with this one

Strang, LA and learning from data. Will be tough without the first book

Stats

Hogg, Introduction to Mathematical Statistics

Gelman et al, BDA3 for Bayes

ML

Bishop PRML and Elements of statistical learning. Do the exercises. Build the algos in Python.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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I was a C student in high school. I never took a math class beyond basic algebra. I started from Khan Academy's first exercise when I was 33 years old. It seems silly looking back that I was solving problems on the number line as an adult. At that time, around 10 years ago, Khan Academy had excellent coverage through trigonometry and single variable calculus. Once I reached that point I went to my local community col…

>It seems silly looking back that I was solving problems on the number line as an adult. I study biostatistics and dabble in population genetics research. I still resort to number lines and venn diagrams frequently. There is a reason we teach number lines - they are very useful!

Where exactly do you use number line? Thanks.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

#44
The “Mathematics for the Practical Man” series, although old, might be a good resource to consider. These are the titles I know are out there:

- “Mathematics for the Practical Man” - “Arithmetic for the Practical Man” - “Algebra for the Practical Man” - “Geometry for the Practical Man” - “Calculus for the Practical Man” -> this last one was the one Richard Feynman used to teach himself calculus (https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.5.9099/full...)

good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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I was a C student in high school. I never took a math class beyond basic algebra. I started from Khan Academy's first exercise when I was 33 years old. It seems silly looking back that I was solving problems on the number line as an adult. At that time, around 10 years ago, Khan Academy had excellent coverage through trigonometry and single variable calculus. Once I reached that point I went to my local community col…

Mate, you've no idea how much I could related to your story. I've a bachelor degree in Electrical Engineering. Looking back at those subjects, I feel like I didn't have the maturity needed to appreciate the depth and meaning of it. I was too busy just passing exams and working to get a degree and eventually land a job. I did that and I have no regrets. But those concepts taught to us are the foundations of almost everything. The more I think about it the more respect I have for scientists who came up with those before 1950s! They had nothing and they solved their own questions. Bloody legends.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

#46
Some standard steps would be:

basic arithmetic

ratios, proportions, percentages, roots and exponents, compound interest, basic lengths, areas, and volumes

Then to get to computing topics with a minimum of work:

some basic algebra, think of it as arithmetic but with symbols instead of actual numerical values

can pass up plane geometry, or just learn the Pythagorean theorem and do see a good, simple proof (will see it again with some nice generalizations in linear algebra)

should touch on trigonometry, such as can do in just a few hours, that is, without a whole one semester course

for calculus, here is the world's shortest but still basically correct course in calculus:

There are two parts to calculus, differentiation and integration. In a car, look at the odometer and a from it construct what the speedometer reads. That's differentiation. Then look at the speedometer for, say, a minute, and from those readings construct the change in that minute in the odometer. That is integration. So, each of these two undoes what the other one does, and that is the fundamental theorem of calculus.

For more, maybe do some linear algebra -- the above will give you sufficient prerequisites. For linear algebra, look on the Internet for a text that is highly recommended (by a professor at a famous university, e.g., MIT, Princeton, Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley) and claimed to be a relatively elementary view.

That should be enough for a lot in the early parts of computing, computer science, and machine learning.

With a good teacher, might get through the whole thing in a month, a really good teacher, in a week.

Uh, I know VERY well what I'm talking about: I hold a Ph.D. in math with a lot in computing from a world famous research university. I taught computer science at Georgetown and Ohio State and math at Indiana University and Ohio State. I've published in pure and applied math, mathematical statistics, computer science, and artificial intelligence. I've done serious applications of math and computing to US national security. Twice I saved FedEx from going out of business, once with some computing with a little math and once with just some math and a little computing.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

#47
I would suggest to start with reading The Foundations of Mathematics by Stewart and Tall: https://global.oup.com/ukhe/product/the-foundations-of-mathe...

This will give you an understanding of which topics make sense to you and which you can barely follow. From that, you will need to catch up but where from depends only on your level. I guess, you might have some Khan Academying to do to catch up with the school program.

After you are done with The Foundations of Mathematics, I think you can take Andrew Ng's courses and go from there. I also use https://www.routledge.com/A-Concise-Handbook-of-Mathematics-... as a general reference when I need to look up a topic a have a rather vague recollection of.

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

#48
You’re not alone but most of the advice in this thread is very overwhelming and wholly unnecessary.

Start with ISLR

It’s a very well done book to quickly get anyone up to speed.

https://www.statlearning.com/

I then recommend this linear algebra book.

https://web.stanford.edu/~boyd/vmls/

The beauty and effectiveness of these two books is that they are applied. Applied learning is the most motivating way to learn IMO.

After you go through these two books You will have a very strong background!

Re: Ask HN: How to learn math from zero for adults?

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I'm in my 40s and I started a machine learning degree in Nov 2020, so it's been about 1.5 years for me till now. I am a slow learner and my recommendations may reflect the same. 1) Maths (precalculus and calculus) - I started with Khan Academy 10th grade onwards. I finished till grade 12 in a week. By this time I had gone through content elsewhere, so 1 week may (not) be enough. Regardless, Khan Academy app comes hig…

Wow, thanks so much for sharing your learning journey here. Gonna bookmark this comment.
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