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Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by zwaps »

krinn_silver wrote: post #99
ClassyJacket wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a good alternative to Colab you can just pay for, that's good for hobbyist individuals? Especially one that gives you shell access? I tried using PaperSpace for a while but it works maybe 1 in 3 times I tried to use it, they (temporarily) banned me for no reason, they send me "itemized" bills with empty line items, and their support was no help.

https://deepnote.com is exactly this! Disclaimer: I work for Deepnote

You don't seem to offer viable GPU options - or maybe the pricing page is not up to date?

The GPU add-on cost is about 7.50$ per hour for a 12 GB K80 (which has 24GB, so you share it? Also, it's from 8? years ago?). As an add-on, other vendors would give you V100s (possibly multiple ones).

I am pretty sure that's not actually what you are offering, because that would be ridiculous. So you probably want to update your pricing page ;-)

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by [deleted] »

Method-X wrote: post #68
dreamyfigment wrote: post #46

I wonder if we'll end up in a future where gaming GPUs will be restricted from running ML algorithms, to prevent private individuals from running advanced deepfakes/DALLE-10 or whatever.

This is terrifying. If only a certain class of people has access to this technology (i.e. governments and huge tech companies), the temptation to use that technology to control the class of people who don't will be too much.

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Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by freemint »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #24
version_five wrote: post #5

I have wondered in the past what kind of monitoring / data harvesting google is doing with colab. I don't use them for anything nontrivial or work related precisely because I worry about google stealing my stuff or that I would be violating agreements with my customers by exposing their data to google. This story reinforces that they are snooping. That aside, I don't think I find this too upsetting. They don't let pe…

Is there a good alternative to Colab you can just pay for, that's good for hobbyist individuals? Especially one that gives you shell access? I tried using PaperSpace for a while but it works maybe 1 in 3 times I tried to use it, they (temporarily) banned me for no reason, they send me "itemized" bills with empty line items, and their support was no help.

Vast.ai you can pick a rig with (multiple) consumer graphics cards of your choice

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by freemint »

zwaps wrote: post #111
krinn_silver wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://deepnote.com is exactly this! Disclaimer: I work for Deepnote

You don't seem to offer viable GPU options - or maybe the pricing page is not up to date? The GPU add-on cost is about 7.50$ per hour for a 12 GB K80 (which has 24GB, so you share it? Also, it's from 8? years ago?). As an add-on, other vendors would give you V100s (possibly multiple ones). I am pretty sure that's not actually what you are offering, because that would be ridiculous. So you probably want to update your…

The K80 presents to the OS as two cards. It is common of hosters to seel those parts separately (AWS does so too).

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by Terry_Roll »

bee_rider wrote: post #109
Terry_Roll wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you have heard the phrase, "accidents happen"? You need to stop having the wool pulled over your eyes, its so naive.

Good point -- I should stop being so naive and put more faith in the conspiracy theories of strangers from the internet.

A valid debating technique is to introduce doubt. Cognitive Dissonance is a powerful psychological tool.

Read this and learn! The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.) https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by dekhn »

chroem- wrote: post #39
hugh-avherald wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your complaint appears to be "funding is a constraint on research".

By default, Google will not allow you to access GPU instances on regular GCP. The GPU quota is initialized to zero and you have to open a support ticket in order to request GPU access, justifying why your use case deserves access. Evidently, "personal research project" is not a valid use case, so that leaves Colab as the only other option in the Google ecosystem. AWS has a similar quota policy, but they seem less str…

This is garbage- you don't have to write a business justficiation that is used to determine whether you are worthy of GPUs.

Stop spreading fud.

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by citizenpaul »

This more than anything really shows the weakness of the cloud pricing model. Cloud only makes sense for specific low/intermittent usage web based sites. Once you get into things like training data an other proccess intense workloads that need 100% gpu/cpu resource. The cloud provider is no longer interested in selling you their service. Self hosted infrastructure is dead, long live self hosted infrastructure...

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by dekhn »

visarga wrote: post #43
mark_l_watson wrote: post #6

It is their right to ban any use they want. Colab is an awesome service, so much so that I seldom use my at-home GPU rig. As consumers we can use or not use platforms like Google, Twitter, etc. as we like, or not. Colab’s ban will be good for small 3rd party GPU cloud providers and that is a good thing. Same thing with Twitter: in the last month there is now better material on Mastodon.

> Colab is an awesome service, so much so that I seldom use my at-home GPU rig. Can you use Colab from VSCode? Notebooks are great for exploration but not for complex projects.

VS Code can render Jupyter notebooks (it connects to the kernel). I don't know if "use colab from VSCode" means connecting your VS Code to a remote colab kernel.

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by dekhn »

est31 wrote: post #69
dreamyfigment wrote: post #46

I wonder if we'll end up in a future where gaming GPUs will be restricted from running ML algorithms, to prevent private individuals from running advanced deepfakes/DALLE-10 or whatever.

There is this talk about the civil war on general purpose computing by Cory Doctorow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg He gave the same talk at Google: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbYXBJOFgeI It's slowly becoming reality.

We live in a renaissance of general purpose computing.

Re: Google has banned the training of deepfakes in Colab

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Post by chroem- »

dekhn wrote: post #116
chroem- wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By default, Google will not allow you to access GPU instances on regular GCP. The GPU quota is initialized to zero and you have to open a support ticket in order to request GPU access, justifying why your use case deserves access. Evidently, "personal research project" is not a valid use case, so that leaves Colab as the only other option in the Google ecosystem. AWS has a similar quota policy, but they seem less str…

This is garbage- you don't have to write a business justficiation that is used to determine whether you are worthy of GPUs. Stop spreading fud.

Yes, you do. I went through this exact process in Fall 2021. I invite you to attempt to set up a personal GCP account for hobby use in the current GPU shortage, and share your experience.
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