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Reverse engineering Xiaomi air purifier NFC stickers

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Re: Reverse engineering Xiaomi air purifier NFC stickers

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Can someone explain what's the result of filter utilization / capacity. Is it efficiency? Does it start spilling out particles? I feel like a 100% used filter will still do a pretty good job, so unclear how much of the utilization % has commercial reasoning?

I live in an very polluted area (average PM2.5 level in winter around 300 µg/m³) and have been running the same filter non-stop in a cheapest Xiaomi purifier for 1.5 years. It's almost black, but works fine, as confirmed by DIY PM sensors. I think it puts more strain on the motor, but I don't see any difference in efficiency.

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I've never experienced an air purifier, what's the general consensus? Do they make a difference? Perhaps a placebo? A must have? Genuinely interested if I'm missing out - For what it's worth I do live right on a main road in the UK, so I expect there is some level of pollution in the air.

If you smoke indoors it's a must have I would say. It's a difference between day and night.

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Efficiency in terms of airflow goes down, and static pressure difference goes up - but the filters trap more of the particles going through them. Changing filters on furnaces and AC units is really important, since lack of airflow hurts efficiency. Wirecutter (which is usually trash) confirmed this in testing; versions of units that had been running for months or longer (ie one they bought a year ago and used in some…

curious - why is Wirecutter trash? I’ve been sorta feeling iffy about them for no real reasons but they seem highly recommended

Years ago, they really drilled into the performance of the various products they compared and frequently the winner was a specialist product from a brand you had never heard of, but it really was the best on the market. Wirecutter articles did good testing with defined rationale that might not be up to laboratory standards, but it was enough to clearly identify which products were offering the best performance. When they labeled a product "The Best X", you could be fairly confident that it was going to outperform almost everything else on the market. They tested everything from the highest range products to the garbage chinesium specials and if you read the entire article, you could see where some products might outperform in certain areas, but under perform in others, letting you make an informed decision that wasn't simply picking the "Winner". Effort had clearly been put into discovering a full range of products instead of simply comparing the amazon options. Any product that was disqualified from comparison had a clear and reasonable rationale.

Starting around 2018 the quality of testing plummeted into clickbait territory. Many articles appeared to justify their choices entirely based on reading amazon reviews without actually putting hands on the product, a theory reinforced by waves of comments appearing that despite a wirecutter recommendation, the product was absolute junk. My personal "Wirecutter is a lost cause" moment was when I was looking for a new comforter and the writer had simply disqualified every single option that was polyester based because "I don't like how polyester feels." That's not good testing. That's opinion. If I wanted subjective opinions on products I wouldn't be at Wirecutter.

For an contemporary example, pull up their "The Best Drill" article. The reviews highlight things you could discover from holding the drill and looking at it. The testing is a single test performed by a single person with no edge cases or alternative uses considered. If ergonomics are such a critical consideration that it gets entries shot down, shouldn't you have multiple people testing to see how different models perform in different people's hands? Furthermore, the only products tested are mid-range household drills available from big box stores. Nothing from the professional brands like Festool or Hilti or some brand I've never heard of. No explanation why I shouldn't just buy a Harbor Freight special for half the price. No explanation why any other consumer-grade brands weren't included. The articles don't provide "The best drill", they're providing "The best consumer-grade drill for light duty work", and this attitude has spread to every corner of the site. You can't go to wirecutter and find a specialist tool that outperforms the commonly available options any more, because they're not even including it in testing.

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Nice hack. But my xiaomi air purifier works just fine with a non-xiaomi filter - only thing it will do extra is show a warning at power on.

True for the older models but the new ones switch off after a certain time

Mine is a 3H.

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We live in the city and always are struggling with allergies. The whole family is always coughing or sneezing. We bought a xiaomi air purifier like in the article last week, started using it in the bedrooms for a few hours in the evening, and the allergies cleared up overnight. The particulate sensor is mostly useless, a known problem with the xiaomi models, but running it at a fixed setting seems to clean the air qu…

The particulate sensor on my Xiaomi air purifier correlates really well with the numbers from my city's air quality network. What doesn't work well for me is the auto mode, it barely does anything at less than 50µg/m^3, way too high even for the mediocre air in my area. So instead I use automation in their app to let it run at full speed for 30 or 60 minutes.

They use Chinese air quality standards, which are very high relative to most other countries for (probably) obvious reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambient_air_quality_criteria

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post #52

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Efficiency in terms of airflow goes down, and static pressure difference goes up - but the filters trap more of the particles going through them. Changing filters on furnaces and AC units is really important, since lack of airflow hurts efficiency. Wirecutter (which is usually trash) confirmed this in testing; versions of units that had been running for months or longer (ie one they bought a year ago and used in some…

curious - why is Wirecutter trash? I’ve been sorta feeling iffy about them for no real reasons but they seem highly recommended

I was reading their list of coffee grinder recommendations. Some they recommend I got rid of years ago as they aren’t very good. It may be the case that they had a price ceiling, as the article mentions how costly grinders are, but it’s certainly dropped my opinion of Wirecutter.

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I've never experienced an air purifier, what's the general consensus? Do they make a difference? Perhaps a placebo? A must have? Genuinely interested if I'm missing out - For what it's worth I do live right on a main road in the UK, so I expect there is some level of pollution in the air.

The soot they filter out of the air is very visible when you change the filters (they turn from shining white to grey). Air pollution is one of the world’s leading risk factors for death https://ourworldindata.org/air-pollution#air-pollution-is-on... . Though that varies a lot from country to country, it is a problem you can strongly reduce with throwing a tiny bit of money on it.

If the filter is only turning Greg it sounds like what you're seeing is dust rather than soot. I have a pm2.5 meter and over the winter/spring the reading is almost always 0 or low single digits, and my filters still turn grey

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The filter durability is time-based in my experience: I set up several air purifiers at the same time in December 2021 but used them in different areas, i.e., with different filter loads. The air purifiers ran 24/7 and mostly in automatic mode, except for some hours after known possible coronavirus exposures. Official end of filter life was reached after about five months and for all filters on the same day. The air…

HEPA filters get more effective overtime in exchange for more restricted airflow. Thus the failure mode is "air is not flowing" and not "air is not getting cleaned". At home I use 3 air filters in various rooms. These are standard/mid-range Japanese Sharp filters. Japanese because we live in Japan, not because Japanese HEPA filters are special. The filters themselves can be bought for about 30$ online. When the filte…

> because we live in Japan

May I ask why you're using them at all? Every time I look at Japanese cities they seem to have PM2.5 levels in a second-digit microgram range. A bad day seems to be something like 15 µg.

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My intuition is that the more “full” it is, the less air will flow through it, meaning it just doesn’t do as much. Not to suggest that what the manufacture decides “100%” is is actually that.

That's exactly right for HEPA filters, not sure about other types of filters though.

This applies for any media filter. VFD drive on the motor can keep airflow constant and increase energy usage instead, but for most fans the increase in static pressure means less air volume. Heavily loaded filters can also have more air bypassing the filter, which may or may not be significant depending on the application. For this kind of air filter bypass just subtracts from the airflow through the filter media.
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