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GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

Deritiod wrote: post #308
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #215

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Do you have personal experience with fully private heathcare systems in other countries? I ask because reacting to criticism of your system with whataboutism concerning the US is not rational, that's a fallacious argument. As for the US I'm not an expert but my gut feeling is that people compare apples to oranges just like with most of these international comparisons. Cost of living is much higher in the US first of…

There were articles of people from USA with proper jobs taking a deep dive after cancer. The critisism is coming from USA to.

https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/krank-und-ruiniert-schu...

>The critisism is coming from USA to.

Dumb people exist in the US too - color me surprised. It's not about defending the US healthcare system, I'm sure there are enough issues worth criticizing. However almost every time one sees such reports it turns out the people were simply under-insured or outright uninsured if you actually bother to look at the details and not just the headline. So in Germany you have similar high bills, people are simply ignorant of this because the true cost is socialized and the tax payer pays for it. Have you never wondered how a fully privately insured person living a comparable lifestlye at the end of the month still has more disposable income in the US compared to Germany?

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Post by danans »

accurrent wrote: post #302
danans wrote: post #283

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Yes, I think that's captured by "the most desperately impoverished portions of Indian cities". Their parents have often sent them to beg, because the need is greater than that society's willingness to fill (vs. low income school lunch programs in the US that keep us from having that scenario). The blame for that situation is squarely on India. But you don't have to go very far up the socioeconomic ladder even in Indi…

> The blame for that situation is squarely on India. This is a bit of a sweeping statement. Colonization has a big role to play here also. When the british left india the average life expectancy was barely 40. Many other former colonies struggle with poverty and the socioeconomic disaster that it brings along. India has improved since then but has a long way to go.

> This is a bit of a sweeping statement. Colonization has a big role to play here also

I agree completely. Colonization set the stage for many of the persistent struggles faced by many in the developing world. But colonial powers didn't teach people in India how to oppress their own people, even if they wasted no time taking advantage of and amplifying the pre-existing situation.

Today, when a country as productive as India (they are self sufficient in food production) still has large numbers of children going hungry, it suggests that there are serious issues with distribution of basic resources like calories. Yes, it has improved, but not nearly enough.

Also, the US is not orders of magnitude better in this way, since we have millions of children relying on "last-resort" food security programs - vestiges of the New Deal - that are under constant threat of being cut. Before these programs were enacted in the 1930s, children were indeed going hungry in the streets of the US, and it continued for a long time afterwards (and sometimes to this day).

If we didn't have these programs, I'm not convinced the situation wouldn't be more like India, since we have equivalent fundamental social ills that drive children into precarious hunger situations.

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Post by uni_rule »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #256
eitland wrote: post #210

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Has happened before. Responsibility always lies on those who created the malware. But also on hospital IT if they didn't take precautions.

Yea it’s not like a MRI machine you bought only uses Windows XP

Their ability to hold back infrastructure updates for old but still functional equipment is government tier.

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Post by iepathos »

danans wrote: post #233
usednet wrote: post #32

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Its definitely a cultural thing. The task would be extremely easy in any Indian city, but they probably don’t realize it would be near impossible in the West. Same with task 3, it would bankrupt Americans to pay for somebody else’s medical bills.

It's only perhaps possible in the most desperately impoverished portions of Indian cities. If you think even moderately poor and above Indians are going to be OK with a random person picking up their children for a meal, that's pretty unlikely.

There is no requirement to "pickup" any children. Easiest way to accomplish task 2 is to wait outside a pizza hut or kfc and ask families coming in if it's ok if you pay for their meal and take some photos to help with your situation. You can explain your situation to people if there are any questions and pretty much everyone will be happy to accept a free meal for your good deed. Free money with no strings is accepted by 99.9% of people in every country.

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Post by [deleted] »

bornfreddy wrote: post #195
0des wrote: post #178

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I just wanted to know what was out there, and most importantly what actual aliens looked like. I cringe now.

That was one thing that became pretty apparent with smartphones - those blurred "photos" of UFOs were scams. If they weren't, there would be tons of high quality alien vehicles footage available by now.

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Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Post by Deritiod »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #311
Deritiod wrote: post #308

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There were articles of people from USA with proper jobs taking a deep dive after cancer. The critisism is coming from USA to.

https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/krank-und-ruiniert-schu... >The critisism is coming from USA to. Dumb people exist in the US too - color me surprised. It's not about defending the US healthcare system, I'm sure there are enough issues worth criticizing. However almost every time one sees such reports it turns out the people were simply under-insured or outright uninsured if you actually bother to look at the det…

You can't be underinsured in Germany at least for critical thing's.

The bills are smaller. USA is paying a high price for their health system. This one is statistically shown.

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Post by surement »

buttercraft wrote: post #181
surement wrote: post #153

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I don't think you understand what coercive means

If multiple people want to own the same thing, how do they "decide" who gets it?

The owner of the thing decides to keep it or trade it. If there are no owners, then anyone can take it and it's not coercion.

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

cube00 wrote: post #62
andi999 wrote: post #58

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Or task 3 would also be impossible in a country with universal health care.

Even countries with universal health care have private hospitals, they'll take your money. One near me asks you to consider paying for their services out of your retirement funds if you don't have private health insurance.

Not true in Canada. Or the UK.

Re: GoodWill ransomware forces victims to donate to the poor

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Post by thematrixturtle »

iepathos wrote: post #314
danans wrote: post #233

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It's only perhaps possible in the most desperately impoverished portions of Indian cities. If you think even moderately poor and above Indians are going to be OK with a random person picking up their children for a meal, that's pretty unlikely.

There is no requirement to "pickup" any children. Easiest way to accomplish task 2 is to wait outside a pizza hut or kfc and ask families coming in if it's ok if you pay for their meal and take some photos to help with your situation. You can explain your situation to people if there are any questions and pretty much everyone will be happy to accept a free meal for your good deed. Free money with no strings is accept…

Only problem is, Pizza Hut etc are middle class plus in India, so any family going in will by definition not be the poor people the ransomware is trying to assist.
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