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Ask HN: How to start developing critical thinking?

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Re: Ask HN: How to start developing critical thinking?

#41

The basic idea of Critical Thinking has already been provided by the Stoics, here is Epictetus' Discourses ; In the first place, do not allow yourself to be carried away by [the] intensity [of your impression]: but say, ‘Impression, wait for me a little. Let me see what you are, and what you represent. Let me test you.’ Then, afterwards, do not allow it to draw you on by picturing what may come next, for if you do, i…

What does he mean by "is it concerned with what is in our power?" Does it mean "does it concern us?"

Epictetus' The Enchiridion aka The Handbook, 1st instruction, compare the last para here with the last para above (different translators);

Some things are in our control and others not. Things in our control are opinion, pursuit, desire, aversion, and, in a word, whatever are our own actions. Things not in our control are body, property, reputation, command, and, in one word, whatever are not our own actions.

The things in our control are by nature free, unrestrained, unhindered; but those not in our control are weak, slavish, restrained, belonging to others. Remember, then, that if you suppose that things which are slavish by nature are also free, and that what belongs to others is your own, then you will be hindered. You will lament, you will be disturbed, and you will find fault both with gods and men. But if you suppose that only to be your own which is your own, and what belongs to others such as it really is, then no one will ever compel you or restrain you. Further, you will find fault with no one or accuse no one. You will do nothing against your will. No one will hurt you, you will have no enemies, and you will not be harmed.

Aiming therefore at such great things, remember that you must not allow yourself to be carried, even with a slight tendency, towards the attainment of lesser things. Instead, you must entirely quit some things and for the present postpone the rest. But if you would both have these great things, along with power and riches, then you will not gain even the latter, because you aim at the former too: but you will absolutely fail of the former, by which alone happiness and freedom are achieved.

Work, therefore to be able to say to every harsh appearance, "You are but an appearance, and not absolutely the thing you appear to be." And then examine it by those rules which you have, and first, and chiefly, by this: whether it concerns the things which are in our own control, or those which are not; and, if it concerns anything not in our control, be prepared to say that it is nothing to you.

Reference: http://classics.mit.edu/Epictetus/epicench.html

Re: Ask HN: How to start developing critical thinking?

#42
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I would start by taking the answers given here with a hefty portion of salt. It is fairly shameful to answer this question with authority, so largely you are selecting for shamelessness among the answerers. I am revealing my own shamelessness then, now, by answering you. To start with, the main thing that is required for my process is an emotional investment. This isn't dispassionate analysis. Truly critical thought…

That's basically what I was going to write as a response. Yup!

Especially your last paragraph there. So many conflate thoughts and beliefs and opinions and truth. Everything is separate. Our reality tunnels are not unbiased.

Re: Ask HN: How to start developing critical thinking?

#44
> I want to have independent though, and not be bound to anyone's view of the world without forming my own.

Okay, maybe a strange comment. But you always have to option not to have an opinion or view about something. What's the best solution to global warming? How to solve the Ukraine/Russian war? How to solve poverty? When will the next financial crash take place? How should my colleagues and friends behave? All very hard questions, which may of may not have an answer. You always have to option not to have an opinion about something. Being opinionless is not a sign of intellectual weakness, it's a sign of critical thinking.

Re: Ask HN: How to start developing critical thinking?

#45
“How do you (I) know?”

“Why should they be trusted?”

“How do they know?”

“What motive(s) could they have behind their claims?”

“Do they have an agenda? Who funds them?”

“Are there gaps in the story?”

“There are lots of people saying the same thing. Is it group think? Are the people related?”

“Where’s the source?”

“What’s left of the claims if I remove the name-callings?”

“Are the claims falsifiable? Are they provable mathematically?”

Re: Ask HN: How to start developing critical thinking?

#46
post #44

> I want to have independent though, and not be bound to anyone's view of the world without forming my own. Okay, maybe a strange comment. But you always have to option not to have an opinion or view about something. What's the best solution to global warming? How to solve the Ukraine/Russian war? How to solve poverty? When will the next financial crash take place? How should my colleagues and friends behave? All ver…

Either that, or it is a sign of humility about one's ability to quickly think through a complex question. By saying no to answering all those questions, you give yourself the time to actually deeply think through the questions that you can tackle.

Re: Ask HN: How to start developing critical thinking?

#48
> Especially in our age it's a life or death skills to have.

I'm not so sure. Many critical thinkers end their life with suicide or end up in mental asylum. It's easier to be a sheep for sure.

The reason for that is of course the fact that critical thinking allows you to see and ponder how f'ed up everything is. It is a dangerous road.

Re: Ask HN: How to start developing critical thinking?

#50
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Criticizing is small, not entirely healthy subset of Critical Thinking. CT is much much more than criticism. Contextualization, path dependence, understanding motivations, not allowing someone else to decide the dimensionality of the problem or the weight of those dimensions. Most critics I see just make snide remarks about Chesterton's Fence. And to OP, this isn't a snide remark, but due to your typos, which I often…

OP is not asking about some kind of 12-step program or technical topic. He's asking about a forgotten activity in this day and age: using the ol' noggin. Ordinary people have been doing that long before eggheads got paid to sit in rooms and produce 12-step programs on "CT," so the answer is simpler than they'd have you believe. Independent thought is like any other human skill; you learn by imitation. Really! You'll…

How are you able to clarify what the OP intended and at the same time as admonish one for offering their viewpoint?

Putting the critical in critical old timey commenter person!

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