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The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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>In every culture the native costume is the first thing to go, native architecture is next. Food is one of the last to go, even in modern places where people are wearing blue jeans. So these days I like to go to places where there is still native costume and native architecture. Unfortunately these areas are shrinking. I'm not nostalgic about it; I understand the reasons behind the changes, and it's a net improvement…

The first few chapters of Ringworld talk about the state of the world after teleport booths make it possible to instantly travel anywhere. The protagonist is all depressed because nowhere is unique anymore. He can hop from Shanghai to Boise and see all the same people going to the same chain stores and speaking the same dialect while doing the same thing.

I can already notice the difference visiting places now compared to the 90s.

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One of the biggest changes is that even in the 1990s in many places, you'd have minimal or no contact with anyone back home and probably even reasonably cut off from news. When I went on a few ~month long trips to Nepal around that time, you were just starting to see some terminals for email here and there towards the end of the decade. But you were pretty much cut off from most communications.

>One of the biggest changes is that even in the 1990s in many places, you'd have minimal or no contact with anyone back home and probably even reasonably cut off from news. But did you grab english language papers as you traveled? Or truly just stop getting western news? (I agree going offline can be cool and good.)

I suppose you could have. Personally I wouldn’t check on the world back home at all, except to send the occasion postcard (or email when that became possible).

I’d learn about it all after getting home. Or sometimes not. I remember there being big movies that had come and gone while I was away that I only learned about years later.

It’s hard to imagine, watching the current crop spending every evening on their phones instead of talking to other travelers.

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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(with the disclaimer that it has been 30 months since travelling widely) It's still possible. 99% of travellers proceed along narrow planks of tourist hotspots that represent 1% of what is interesting in the world. Once it was lonely planet trails, then tripadvisor routes, now instagram pin plots. It's so easy to step off those paths, and doing so is very rewarding. Use those guides as guides as to what what not to d…

Hmmm I'm afraid with my limited vacation time each year I'm now a firm believer in following the well trodden path most of the time. I've had too many trips where you try and do something completely unique like go to an island or a province "tourists never go to"...and then you discover why. There's nothing there. I went to a couple of the Pacific islands in Micronesia which don't get many tourists thinking I was bei…

Going off the beaten path in my experience requires genuine friendships with locals. I guess if you're super outgoing and adventurous you don't need that, but in my experience it has helped immensely to have locals (again, as friends, so they're not trying to scam you or at least mislead you) take me to cool things.

I suppose it's not realistic to do this for a lot of destinations, but where it works it works well.

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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post #58

>In every culture the native costume is the first thing to go, native architecture is next. Food is one of the last to go, even in modern places where people are wearing blue jeans. So these days I like to go to places where there is still native costume and native architecture. Unfortunately these areas are shrinking. I'm not nostalgic about it; I understand the reasons behind the changes, and it's a net improvement…

So, in which places today do people still wear their native costume in preference to western clothes such as shirts and jeans? I can think of: Gulf countries (Saudi Arabia, UAE), Bhutan, Saharan Africa. India/South Asia partially but more so for women.

Afghanistan Pakistan

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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You could still experience something like this even in late 00s when I travelled to Asia in 2010 on year long trip which end up with me staying there for 5+ years. Heck even on my trip to India in 2007 in many places I had problem to see foreigner, I was surprised by lack of English and I think I've never travelled with another foreigner in my bus when getting around India from South (think Kanyakumari south) all the way cross cross to Delhi.

Heck I remember in 2006 you could found guesthouse meters from Khao San Road in Bangkok for 80THB with nice street meals for 20-25 THB, essentially free water from purifier stations, so you could easily exist in Bangkok as traveller in 2006 on 120-150 THB per day (3-4 USD) with food and accommodation covered and mind we are talking about extremely touristy Bangkok. In Kanchanaburi you could have even nicer accommodation in Jolly Frog for 80 THB with delicious dishes in evening night market next to train station.

That was regarding price level - regarding untouched or hardly touched places with people not speaking English, this covers big parts of Indonesia and I don't much changed in decades since author experiences, Indonesia and China are countries where you will have/had definitely problem to find English speaking person, luckily at least Indonesian language is extremely easy so I could handle at least basic communication in Indonesian after few days forced to learn it to get to places where I wanted and stay on budget, I was eating only in local warungs/street eateriers where no tourists roam hanging with locals greeting me everywhere happy to see foreign face since they rarely see one stepping out of daytrippers going from car outside to take photos and back to car.

Even in Thailand if you stay out of famous islands you could still find undeveloped islands like small Ko Chang, Ko Jum etc., some of them without any cars, without power lines from mainland running on diesel generator only in evening.

Same goes to Philippines, many places in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos. Of course don't expect this in tourists hotspots, but if you try to go elsewhere I am sure even in 2022 you have no problem to find places untouched by tourists where they don't see foreigner whole year. And even if they see it's very different approach whether is someone going everywhere by minivan eating in fancy hotel restaurant or you getting around and eating like local (being cheap).

Of course social media, GPS, always connected phones, offline translators changed experience a lot for those who wanna use them, but it doesn't mean it has to be for worse, I'd see translators as improvement, you are able to get much more local now really in places where no foreigner roam. OTOH GPS kinda ruined travelling, since getting lost was part of the experience and was forcing you to interact with locals, now idiots can go all they around staring at their phones without saying a single word to local. ATM is convenient for withdrawing money, but cash is still the king in developing countries.

Btw. it makes also huge difference whether you travel in peak season or off season, it's like two different worlds if you don't mind worse weather, places which are packed with tourists in peak season can be easily completely deserted in off season.

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I was an exchange student in rural Japan in the early 2000’s and I think that was the final moment you could see the world like this. There were no smartphones yet or ubiquitous internet. I had some guide books but they were very general. My host family didn’t speak English at all. Every day was like a puzzle: what does this building do? What are these tickets people have? What is this strange food, is it even food?…

Pros and cons. You can still selectively investigate things without looking them up. And sometimes you run across things you can't really find online.

I think the way we relate to people in other countries has changed somewhat due to contemporary technology. We've gone from "encountering the Other" to "encountering distant cousins" - having additional slices of shared modernity. It's not entirely bad, and people and outlooks and cultural norms are still be very different around the world.

(When I first went to Japan, I could barely communicate there and everything was mysterious and exciting a la Lost In Translation, but with my current language level and familiarity, there's still fun in wandering slightly less touristed areas and chatting with the locals. Whether they're familiar with foreigners or not, it's generally an interesting exchange to learn about their experiences, like with the Hokkaido man who singlehandedly built Japan's northernmost lotus pond to try to improve the tourism potential of his hometown, or the Sasebo jazz bar owner who took me to a tiny bar in a cave-like bomb shelter.)

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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post #36

(with the disclaimer that it has been 30 months since travelling widely) It's still possible. 99% of travellers proceed along narrow planks of tourist hotspots that represent 1% of what is interesting in the world. Once it was lonely planet trails, then tripadvisor routes, now instagram pin plots. It's so easy to step off those paths, and doing so is very rewarding. Use those guides as guides as to what what not to d…

There’s a “revealed preference” thing going on among backpackers these days.

Everybody says they want to see the unspoiled remote village, but they actually go to Vang Vieng. The rough and ready backpacker accommodation of the past with a cheap bed and nothing else can’t compete with the place up the road with the pool and air conditioning.

There is remarkably little option to travel today like we did in the 90s. Because kids today don’t want that. You can spend £20/night on the place that would have been £20/night back then. But the £5/night place has been torn down and replaced with another £20 one.

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still drop your phone if you want to, but if you don't, that implies that your judgment looked over the sum of all things and decided to keep the phone. Or not.

phones are to ingrained into everything. like i remember when i was younger if you got lost you could go somewhere like a gas station and maybe get directions. why would you do that now. so someone else can look it up on their phone for you? or tickets, payments, menus are on phones now

> or tickets, payments, menus are on phones now

I see you've never been to developing country. Good luck with your online menu in street restaurant or same with buying shady overpriced ticket where even locals dunno what's real price and you end up paying less than locals (Indonesian buses in general).

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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post #36

(with the disclaimer that it has been 30 months since travelling widely) It's still possible. 99% of travellers proceed along narrow planks of tourist hotspots that represent 1% of what is interesting in the world. Once it was lonely planet trails, then tripadvisor routes, now instagram pin plots. It's so easy to step off those paths, and doing so is very rewarding. Use those guides as guides as to what what not to d…

There’s a “revealed preference” thing going on among backpackers these days. Everybody says they want to see the unspoiled remote village, but they actually go to Vang Vieng. The rough and ready backpacker accommodation of the past with a cheap bed and nothing else can’t compete with the place up the road with the pool and air conditioning. There is remarkably little option to travel today like we did in the 90s. Bec…

To be fair I thought days of Vang Vieng glory are gone with end of tubing or is it back?

But I agree Vang Vieng was for me tourist hell, though if you get on motorbike and just ride along those karst mountains through villages and unpaved roads it was much better, the problem was the village itself mostly and tubing, I despise much more Luang Prabang full of retired package tourists everywhere you moved, that was truly much more disgusting than VV.

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Karen (no S) you met were most likely refugees from Burma. For decades their lives have been very controlled by the Thai authorities, who use them as exotic tourist exhibits. The Thais don’t allow them to farm for themselves as they want to keep them dependent, subservient and profitable (I confer no judgment in the tourists who visit them as it’s complicated). So they tend to have secret fields in the jungle so…

There was definitely some farming among the hill tribes, but I don't know by whom. We visited one tribe that was considered Bad by the missionaries, so we didn't stay there. They were thought Bad because they all chewed betel nut and consequently had red mouths.

I'm not a fan of betel nut chewing, it's really unsightly & messy, but it's basically their equivalent of smoking. A lot of missionaries have odd ideas about how the people they are trying to "save" should behave. Some villages will play along in the hope of getting some benefit but others will have nothing to do with them.
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