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I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)

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Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)

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Post by brokencode »

t-3 wrote: post #103
brokencode wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creators don’t control where the audience is. If there was a credible alternative to the centralized services, then maybe more creators would try that. Nebula is one example where some of the more education-focused channels have been posting videos. Not sure if it’s been successful though.

I don't buy it. Creators make audiences, and platforms know this. Users have to take what they get, but producers have options. This is why YouTube hosts content for free, makes advertising and monetizing easy, works to lower the barriers to entry and make independence unnattractive. If creators switched to distributing through their own servers or a different CDN or IPFS or bittorrent or whatever, they would have to…

People open YouTube to feed their hunger for content with whatever they find. If a creator leaves, then they just have to switch to content from one of the 10 other channels that are similar. It’s a low friction, low loyalty world.

And from my experience, people overwhelmingly watch YouTube on phones or tablets, and wouldn’t be messing around with anything like BitTorrent. If you think that is a good alternative, then you are not representative of the average YouTube user.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)

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Post by t-3 »

tehwebguy wrote: post #115
t-3 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't buy it. Creators make audiences, and platforms know this. Users have to take what they get, but producers have options. This is why YouTube hosts content for free, makes advertising and monetizing easy, works to lower the barriers to entry and make independence unnattractive. If creators switched to distributing through their own servers or a different CDN or IPFS or bittorrent or whatever, they would have to…

Tell that to Vessel & Quibi!

Sure, competing platforms will be differentiated by their userbase, unless they're offering very favorable terms or paying for exclusivity. It's not like one platform is going to be all that different from the next. What reason is behind TikTok's rapid rise?

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)

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Post by jbritton »

Animats wrote: post #79

First step, if you get a demand like that, file a police report. Extortion, and attempted extortion, are crimes. You can also file with the FBI online, which will at least result in your complaint being accumulated with other similar complaints. Not much may happen, but now it's on record. Now you have paperwork establishing a crime. If you're willing to spend legal fees, talk to a lawyer. You can potentially sue the…

I also wonder if this could apply to robocalls and phone companies.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)

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Post by t-3 »

brokencode wrote: post #121
t-3 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't buy it. Creators make audiences, and platforms know this. Users have to take what they get, but producers have options. This is why YouTube hosts content for free, makes advertising and monetizing easy, works to lower the barriers to entry and make independence unnattractive. If creators switched to distributing through their own servers or a different CDN or IPFS or bittorrent or whatever, they would have to…

People open YouTube to feed their hunger for content with whatever they find. If a creator leaves, then they just have to switch to content from one of the 10 other channels that are similar. It’s a low friction, low loyalty world. And from my experience, people overwhelmingly watch YouTube on phones or tablets, and wouldn’t be messing around with anything like BitTorrent. If you think that is a good alternative, the…

> you are not representative of the average YouTube user.

Yeah, probably not, as I never visit the site except through links or if I need a how-to-repair video. There's no reason people can't consume video through torrent or other p2p tech though. Webtorrents, peertube, etc are relatively mainstream and completely painless to use. There also exist torrent clients on Android for maaany years.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)

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Post by zdragnar »

alexb_ wrote: post #123
marcosdumay wrote: post #112

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Then you go after Google as a coactor on the crime. As the OP's next paragraph says.

>go after Google ROFL

I'm guessing that settling out of court (or simply cooperating by handing over the extortionist's info) is almost always cheaper for Google than actually going to court over breach of contract or negligence for most of these types of cases.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)

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Post by _gabe_ »

rasz wrote: post #87
cachvico wrote: post #2

Google's most excellent customer service at play.

It is. Customers dont want to advertise on risky pages and videos, Google automagically pre-filters those out minimizing potential future issues. Google cattl^^product might not like it, but customers are being kept happy.

YouTube has no product without the creators. It would be a better idea to withhold advertisements on a flagged video instead of taking it down. But honestly, that's still crap.

They should (and probably do) keep records of a creator's history with confirmed copyright violations. If the creator has repeatedly violated copyright, then the auto filter can kick in. Otherwise, if it's a channel that regularly gets hundreds of thousands of views and does not get copyright violations regularly, they should give the creator time to respond.

Finally, they should keep records of people filing copyright claims. If the people are repeatedly filing false copyright claims, they should have some sort of action taken against them. I don't know, maybe if you file more than 5 bad copyright claims, if you file another invalid copyright claim you have to pay the withheld revenue to the creator. Maybe that would make people think a little before filing baseless claims.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)

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Post by lmm »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #97
dodobirdlord wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Running an abuse prevention system is adversarial. If your abuse detection system isn’t perfect (which is of course impossible), then having a transparent anti-abuse system is the same as not having an anti-abuse system.

Running a crime prevention system is adversarial. If your law isn't perfect (which is ofcourae impossible), then having a transparent law enforcement system is the same as nit having a law enforcement system.

This but unironically.

Transparent law enforcement has never succeeded anywhere. (The US makes the laws notionally "transparent" but written so broadly that they apply to everyone, and the opaque part is under prosecutorial discretion, but in practice it's very much the same mechanism as what the likes of e.g. China do)

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next (2020)

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Post by account-5 »

At this point I'm surprised any Google platform is being used at all. Google in every sense don't care about their users, only the data their users generate. You just cannot trust any Google service, and should use any service as if it won't be there tomorrow.
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