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Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

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Post by loufe »

PeterWhittaker wrote: post #4
hammock wrote: post #3

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Obviously it's not been exposed, yet. That said, I think it's pretty safe to assume in the post-lavabit world that these companies are fronts for Western intelligence. We clearly don't live in a world that respects privacy anymore, take the recent "anti-csm" bullshit the EU is pushing. Personally, I won't need proof to seriously doubt this, tutanota, etc. Yes, your data may be more hidden, but it would be used as evidence in a parallel-construction case based on what they "illegally" siphon from your data.

Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

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Post by edgyquant »

glerk wrote: post #10
hammock wrote: post #3

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No idea if it's a "front", but if your threat model is state level actors Protonmail is not gonna cut it.

If your threat model is state level actors the only thing that will cut it is another state level actor

Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

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Post by coffeeblack »

Klonoar wrote: post #8
hammock wrote: post #3

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Eeeehhhhh, I interviewed and was offered a role there a few years ago. Talked with a number of teams and employees, they were very candid about what they were working on during every step of the interview. I never saw anything to indicate either of these claims. The safety of encryption/decryption in browser-JS payloads is a different discussion entirely, but you can't make wild claims about it being a front for stat…

Then the only explanation is that you are in on it11 *adjusts tinfoil hat*

Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

#16

Post by kobieyc »

loufe wrote: post #11
PeterWhittaker wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Citation?

Obviously it's not been exposed, yet. That said, I think it's pretty safe to assume in the post-lavabit world that these companies are fronts for Western intelligence. We clearly don't live in a world that respects privacy anymore, take the recent "anti-csm" bullshit the EU is pushing. Personally, I won't need proof to seriously doubt this, tutanota, etc. Yes, your data may be more hidden, but it would be used as evi…

I think this is a safe assumption.

Guilty until proven innocent, by making your code open source.

Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

#17

Post by ziddoap »

loufe wrote: post #11
PeterWhittaker wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Citation?

Obviously it's not been exposed, yet. That said, I think it's pretty safe to assume in the post-lavabit world that these companies are fronts for Western intelligence. We clearly don't live in a world that respects privacy anymore, take the recent "anti-csm" bullshit the EU is pushing. Personally, I won't need proof to seriously doubt this, tutanota, etc. Yes, your data may be more hidden, but it would be used as evi…

>Obviously it's not been exposed, yet.

Then it should not be stated as fact.

Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

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Post by kromem »

loufe wrote: post #11
PeterWhittaker wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Citation?

Obviously it's not been exposed, yet. That said, I think it's pretty safe to assume in the post-lavabit world that these companies are fronts for Western intelligence. We clearly don't live in a world that respects privacy anymore, take the recent "anti-csm" bullshit the EU is pushing. Personally, I won't need proof to seriously doubt this, tutanota, etc. Yes, your data may be more hidden, but it would be used as evi…

Do you think the same thing about Signal?
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