Stanford’s President and Provost Must Resign • Hacker News Board

Re: Stanford’s President and Provost Must Resign

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Post by Animats » Thu, May 26, 2022, 5:55 PM UTC

amluto wrote: post #14

> Dean Caldera also runs a side consulting business offering “individualized college admissions assistance” for upwards of $4,000 an applicant. Regardless of whether this is related to an above average suicide rate, this looks bad. I’m quite surprised the administration tolerates it. edit: I’ll add that I have personal experience with a (former) university staffer who was (a) corrupt, (b) egregiously failing to do th…

That's a conflict of interest and grounds for termination. If you worked for a company, and had a side business to teach suppliers how to sell to that company, you'd be fired.

Re: Stanford’s President and Provost Must Resign

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Post by Animats » Thu, May 26, 2022, 5:57 PM UTC

Bud wrote: post #17

behnamoh wrote: post #9

Why is it on HN's frontpage?

Because it got X votes in X amount of time. Like every other post here. Why should it not be on the front page?

Aw, it's been flagged. It's kind of relevant to HN, if only because there are a large number of Stanford alums in the VC and startup community.

Re: Stanford’s President and Provost Must Resign

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Post by guyintreecost » Thu, May 26, 2022, 5:58 PM UTC

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Re: Stanford’s President and Provost Must Resign

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Thu, May 26, 2022, 5:59 PM UTC

go_to_moon wrote: post #7

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #2

Unfortunate suicide rates are up. Blame the school president? I guess some scapegoat must be found.

did you read the substack? negligence and not doing your job is scapegoating i suppose

Lots of blame for a bathroom overdose etc. Somebody didn't respond properly to the process - but not the President. As observed elsewhere, a President's job is to be scapegoat, which is correct and I agree with.

Re: Stanford’s President and Provost Must Resign

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Post by tedivm » Thu, May 26, 2022, 6:00 PM UTC

dlandis wrote: post #19

I'm not familiar with this situation, but this is such an immaturely written post. For example, the third bullet point in the summary is: > On March 1, 2022, Stanford student Katie Meyer died by suicide. During that time, Dean Caldera was running a raffle for her side consulting business. What is the writer trying to imply, exactly? Are they suggesting that there is something inappropriate about the raffle? Or was th…

I thought it was pretty clear in what it is saying- not vague at all. Dean Caldera, who is responsible for suicides on campus, has been using her role as a Dean to enrich herself. It is very possible that had she focused on her actual job that some of these suicides may have been prevented.

The consulting business in improprietous. The raffle was inappropriate. All of this is inappropriate.

Re: Stanford’s President and Provost Must Resign

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Post by joshuahaglund » Thu, May 26, 2022, 6:01 PM UTC

dlandis wrote: post #19

I'm not familiar with this situation, but this is such an immaturely written post. For example, the third bullet point in the summary is: > On March 1, 2022, Stanford student Katie Meyer died by suicide. During that time, Dean Caldera was running a raffle for her side consulting business. What is the writer trying to imply, exactly? Are they suggesting that there is something inappropriate about the raffle? Or was th…

Sounds like they laid out facts. The Dean had a job to do but was also doing a side hustle. It's not vague to me. If you're giving a poor performance to your well-paid first job, you shouldn't be taking 2nd job.

Re: Stanford’s President and Provost Must Resign

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Thu, May 26, 2022, 6:02 PM UTC

shkkmo wrote: post #8

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #2

Unfortunate suicide rates are up. Blame the school president? I guess some scapegoat must be found.

The article provides quite a few specific failures that specifically relate to the deaths. Is there a specific reason you are ignoring those details?

Not sure we read the same article. New processes and offices to help with student stress - a response to increased stress and chance of suicide. That wasn't done vigorously enough to prevent all incidents.

Of course in prior administrations there was no such office, and a much lesser rate of student stress and depression. Different situation.

Sure the President is ultimately responsible. But not for the deaths - for not pressing reforms fast enough?

Re: Stanford’s President and Provost Must Resign

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 26, 2022, 6:02 PM UTC

amluto wrote: post #14

> Dean Caldera also runs a side consulting business offering “individualized college admissions assistance” for upwards of $4,000 an applicant. Regardless of whether this is related to an above average suicide rate, this looks bad. I’m quite surprised the administration tolerates it. edit: I’ll add that I have personal experience with a (former) university staffer who was (a) corrupt, (b) egregiously failing to do th…

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Re: Stanford’s President and Provost Must Resign

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Post by tedivm » Thu, May 26, 2022, 6:03 PM UTC

weberer wrote: post #3

>In another case, a student used the word “suicide” over 100 times in an essay. That student later died and the death was classified “an accident” by President Tessier-Lavigne’s administration. That's really up to the police to decide, isn't it? There's a lot of important info being omitted about this example.

Stanford has its own police department. So they investigated themselves and decided the most convenient thing for them was the truth. They also didn't address, at all, the fact that the "accident" could have been prevented. The way the RA/RD handled that situation would have gotten him immediately fired at the school where I was an RA, and that's before even touching on the other lawsuit against him.

Re: Stanford’s President and Provost Must Resign

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Post by guyintreecost » Thu, May 26, 2022, 6:03 PM UTC

havblue wrote: post #18

"President Tessier-Lavigne’s administration might be playing a role in causing student deaths." A lot of the article discusses the conflict of interest of her side business but I didn't personally see any points that led me to believe she actually caused people to kill themselves.

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