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Re: Show HN: I turned my face rec system into a video codec

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post #83

You lost me at "patent pending". This idea has been obvious and in progress for a while now with lots of prior work. The issue is more the standards. Please don't sell this to a patent troll who will harass the industry for 20 years.

Seriously, this hits all the wrong points before sliding into "don't sell this to a patent troll."

"We, the armchair internet, have come to shout at you, innovative dude, that your ideas are worthless and that your interesting product is just fodder for patent trolls," ignores a few minor things -

• The video codec industry is absolutely crawling with overlapping patents enforced by shell companies whose only purpose is to extract license fees from every screen that ever existed. The USPTO seems to not care.

• This video codec was produced cleanly, and does not appear to overlap with any of the existing codecs.

I'd say give this smart person some credit.

Re: Show HN: I turned my face rec system into a video codec

#112
post #108
post #83

You lost me at "patent pending". This idea has been obvious and in progress for a while now with lots of prior work. The issue is more the standards. Please don't sell this to a patent troll who will harass the industry for 20 years.

> This idea has been obvious and in progress for a while now with lots of prior work. Such as?

Apple’s Eye Contact feature for FaceTime, introduced in 2019: https://www.fastcompany.com/90372724/welcome-to-post-reality...

Re: Show HN: I turned my face rec system into a video codec

#113
post #111
post #83

You lost me at "patent pending". This idea has been obvious and in progress for a while now with lots of prior work. The issue is more the standards. Please don't sell this to a patent troll who will harass the industry for 20 years.

Seriously, this hits all the wrong points before sliding into "don't sell this to a patent troll." "We, the armchair internet, have come to shout at you, innovative dude, that your ideas are worthless and that your interesting product is just fodder for patent trolls," ignores a few minor things - • The video codec industry is absolutely crawling with overlapping patents enforced by shell companies whose only purpose…

Please don’t strawman. I see no evidence of shouting or calling the idea worthless in the root comment. Quite the contrary: if the poster had found it worthless, they wouldn’t be worried about it being sold to patent trolls.

Furthermore, according to the App Store what’s patent-pending is the algorithm that boosts eye contact, so comments on the codec don’t apply.

Re: Show HN: I turned my face rec system into a video codec

#114

> is a new from-the-ground-up patent pending What is the invention? The models are just complex mathematical formulas and these cannot be patented.

If that were the case, Google would not own a patent on PageRank and we wouldn't have to bother with open source audio/video codecs.

> Google would not own a patent on PageRank

Well, in my country they actually don't. YMMV as per one's location.

Re: Show HN: I turned my face rec system into a video codec

#115
post #113
post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, this hits all the wrong points before sliding into "don't sell this to a patent troll." "We, the armchair internet, have come to shout at you, innovative dude, that your ideas are worthless and that your interesting product is just fodder for patent trolls," ignores a few minor things - • The video codec industry is absolutely crawling with overlapping patents enforced by shell companies whose only purpose…

Please don’t strawman. I see no evidence of shouting or calling the idea worthless in the root comment. Quite the contrary: if the poster had found it worthless, they wouldn’t be worried about it being sold to patent trolls. Furthermore, according to the App Store what’s patent-pending is the algorithm that boosts eye contact, so comments on the codec don’t apply.

Not a strawman - I think I'm seeing a video codec. You're seeing a "boosts eye contact" video filter?

Can you clarify your statement? Maybe I missed what you meant.

Re: Show HN: I turned my face rec system into a video codec

#117
post #48

> Because it uses face rec, you can ONLY show your face, and if you disappear from view your audio will stop after a while, to avoid situations like when you need to go the the restroom but forget to mute. Of course, the real killer app for Zoom calls is the opposite of this: some kind of deep fakery that makes it seem we're there when we're not. Yet as it is, this is a fantastic idea. It's surprising video codecs de…

Now that's mixing up user and client.

Re: Show HN: I turned my face rec system into a video codec

#118

Awesome! A thought: now that neural compression is becoming widespread, it could be a good idea to put some kind of indicator or watermark stating the compression is neural (learned/function approximation in general). I think this would avoid liabilities and criticism around the fact that some weird things may appear (incorrect detail generation), maybe giving a wrong semantic idea. It may also be a good idea to put…

> put some kind of indicator or watermark stating the compression is neural

That ship has sailed.

Smartphone cameras and laptop webcams already use machine learning algos to improve low light performance and noise. The result is that the images already contain details that are generated.

And it's impossible to turn off.

Re: Show HN: I turned my face rec system into a video codec

#119
post #12

Does it have any interesting "nonlinear" effects where it can show an entirely different face (the wrong face) based on misidentification or even adversary input? These kinds of failure modes for "AI" are the most interesting to me. It seems extremely smart - but don’t you think that to have success in a mass market product - think like MS Teams - it would need to be a combined solution. Where it both can do this for…

also, what if you want to share dicks? It would be creepy if they all had eyes. There should be a mode for that where you drop into jitsi space

Good lord. If it does, don't ever mention it to anyone on chatroulette. It's bad enough without that horror.

Re: Show HN: I turned my face rec system into a video codec

#120
post #90
post #48

> Because it uses face rec, you can ONLY show your face, and if you disappear from view your audio will stop after a while, to avoid situations like when you need to go the the restroom but forget to mute. Of course, the real killer app for Zoom calls is the opposite of this: some kind of deep fakery that makes it seem we're there when we're not. Yet as it is, this is a fantastic idea. It's surprising video codecs de…

Well if you just want to trick people into thinking you’re present when you aren’t, you can just use a video file as your camera feed. There are a bunch of tools to do this. Now, the main issue would be if you want to speak using this setup, but I guess one solution to that would be to use a model to lip sync your non-speaking video on-the-fly, which seems to be being discussed here[0]. [0] https://github.com/Rudrabh…

>> Well if you just want to trick people into thinking you’re present when you aren’t, you can just use a video file as your camera feed.

I’m immediately reminded of the classic Simpsons episode where Homer plays a clip of him, Carl and Lenny; on a poorly-edited 5-second loop, of them clearly from 10-15 years before, overtop of the security cameras.

If faking webcam presence ends up being a thing, it’ll just be another bit of the future the Simpsons nailed.

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