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HTTPS Everywhere will sunset in January 2023

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Re: HTTPS Everywhere will sunset in January 2023

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There are still places that don't auto-redirect to https for some reason. Maybe a temporary misconfiguration. I just ran into http://www.mbsonline.gov.au today and was surprised it didn't redirect and has broken https, even though that org really shouldn't do that .

A redirect itself is considered bad by some because it encourages relying on http in the first place (imagine always hitting a web site through http and expecting a redirect instead of going to https directly). As soon as you do that, you are similarly prone to MITM attacks: on an insecure network, you hit an http site and it replaces the redirect with one to a https site that looks like the same domain but really is…

A permanent redirection before setting the correct headers is the best you can do at the server side.

Yes, the user is using insecure practices, and no, you can't correct it on your server.

Re: HTTPS Everywhere will sunset in January 2023

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post #22

I think it still has value. A lot of sites have https but users or resource-fetch from them over http is still not redirected to https. If the internet is navigable while blocking plain http on your host firewall, then we don't need this. But I do get it takes time and resources to maintain their list.

The article talks about how to get this HTTPS by default functionality in all major browsers. I don't see how your complaint about not being redirected to HTTPS is relevant with those settings enabled.

There's still plenty of useful websites that are HTTP-only or that have HTTPS misconfigured. The HTTPS-only mode will break them, whereas HTTPS Everywhere just works.

Re: HTTPS Everywhere will sunset in January 2023

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post #26

It doesn't seem to be mentioned by the EFF, but coincidentally, January 2023 is when Manifest v2 extensions stop working in Google Chrome: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/mv2-transition/

And its going to be a very big moment, since V3 effectively bans Adblockers and website redirect extensions. It might increase Firefox adoption if it actually happens.

- bans adblockers that use their own matching engine

- bans website redirect extensions that can't use declarativeNetRequest action.redirect https://stackoverflow.com/a/66394857/3878893

Re: HTTPS Everywhere will sunset in January 2023

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That’s how I used to feel until I found out they accepted millions in donations from companies like Google and Facebook/their executives/their executives’ charities. I’m just some guy on the Internet but IMHO their being OK with massive conflicts of interest means I no longer trust them.

Then nut up and donate the millions yourself.

That doesn't follow. Do you really want to argue that the only way someone is allowed to disagree with millionaires is by being one themselves?

Re: HTTPS Everywhere will sunset in January 2023

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How do we define 'current network'?

That's a thing for local software to decide. It's also something that can be done with a level of reliability that will impress incredulous people. But that there will always be somebody to complain that is not following the standard recommendations.

In that case you don't need a certificate. Just check that the .local FQDN's IP is on a local network.

  1. Look up all local interfaces' networks (IP & subnet mask)
  2. Determine if .local IP is within subnet range of one of the interfaces
  3. If .local IP is not on a subnet of a local interface, drop the connection
This is still "host-based networking" and there's always the possibility a rogue network could be attached to your host, such as a spoofed open access point, or an ISP with lax network security and a customer on the same subnet being attacker-controlled.

What certs prove is "this host currently has a private key and cert, and at one time this private key was used to generate a CSR for this cert, and at one time it was validated that an IP resolvable by the domain name in the CSR was also controlled by whoever issued the CSR". It's a very awkward thing that doesn't really match up to local consumer devices.

We need a vendor key registry, the way MAC address prefixes are mapped to vendors, so at least we could say "the key on this host came from vendor XYZ". The browser would need to pop up a warning saying "WARNING: You are now connected to a local device from Vendor XYZ! If you did not intend to connect to a local device, close this window!" Updates to the vendor registry could also invalidate previous entries if old keys got compromised. But this would be in combination with the aforementioned "is the site on a local network?" logic. Anyone using a .local would have to both compromise a local network and steal a key from a vendor, or be registered as a vendor, and then the user would have to be dumb enough to click through a big warning about a local device.

Re: HTTPS Everywhere will sunset in January 2023

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post #26

It doesn't seem to be mentioned by the EFF, but coincidentally, January 2023 is when Manifest v2 extensions stop working in Google Chrome: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/mv2-transition/

And its going to be a very big moment, since V3 effectively bans Adblockers and website redirect extensions. It might increase Firefox adoption if it actually happens.

You do realize Firefox is going to V3 as well?

Re: HTTPS Everywhere will sunset in January 2023

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post #35

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HTTP is not ok. Anyone can ready / modify what is being sent. This privacy intrusion will definitely happen, whereas the risk of being banned by "some external corporation" is low. And, you always have the option of self-signing your own certificate, which is at least as secure as using HTTP, and much more secure if you can verify the certificate via a side channel.

> HTTP is not ok. Anyone can ready / modify what is being sent. How do you plan demonstrate that in my local network, connection between my computer and printer web based interface? Generally, we had several decates HTTP as main protocol and that worked out.

If I've got a powerful enough wifi emitter, I could get close to your home and impersonate your AP using the same SSID (with open access). If you accidentally connect to it without paying attention, all unencrypted traffic is mine to record and modify. HTTPS solves that too.

Re: HTTPS Everywhere will sunset in January 2023

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And its going to be a very big moment, since V3 effectively bans Adblockers and website redirect extensions. It might increase Firefox adoption if it actually happens.

You do realize Firefox is going to V3 as well?

Firefox is adding V3 support for compatibility with Chrome but not removing V2 support: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-fi...

Re: HTTPS Everywhere will sunset in January 2023

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post #4

This is the kind of sunset you love to see. Retirement because they succeeded and therefore became redundant, rather than due to failure. If there's one organization I love to see succeed, it's the EFF.

Eh, kind of. It's successful as far as the Internet, which is great. But Internet web pages isn't everything. There's still a real issue with infrastructre that has web configuration. Everything from home routers to video cameras and so on. Not being able to ship with a certificate that passes browser security checks is a problem that essentially nobody has addressed. When people connect to an IOT device, they need t…

It's security theater, it's not meant to solve real problems for real people.
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