Wikileaks Is Running Out Of Cash • Hacker News Board

Re: Wikileaks Is Running Out Of Cash

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Post by cube13 » Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 4:31 PM UTC

palish wrote: post #19

knowtheory wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real question is how many documents they've taken in. The impression i was left with over the split between Wikileaks and OpenLeaks (and incidentally here's link to open leaks: http://openleaks.org/ ) was that WikiLeaks was left w/o any infrastructure to accept new documents, making it, effectively, useless. I am not going to donate to Julian Assange's defense, as i think he's destroyed Wikileaks' credibility and…

> I am not going to donate to Julian Assange's defense, as i think he's destroyed Wikileaks' credibility and capability to continue operating. I completely missed any recent news regarding Assange... do you mind expanding on your reasons? I'm really interested.

The problem that I have with Assange is that he doesn't practice what he preaches. Wikileaks is an organization that promotes government transparency. Assange, on the other hand, does not seem interested in just providing sources. Wikileaks, under what I assume was his direction, has turned into more of an editorial service, cherry picking information that they present to make certain parties look even worse than the actual source does.

Re: Wikileaks Is Running Out Of Cash

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Post by knowtheory » Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 4:33 PM UTC

__alexs wrote: post #20

palish wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am not going to donate to Julian Assange's defense, as i think he's destroyed Wikileaks' credibility and capability to continue operating. I completely missed any recent news regarding Assange... do you mind expanding on your reasons? I'm really interested.

Presumably the part where he is was at best a complete douchebag to several women, and at worst raped someone.

Well, while he does seem a bit scummy, innocent until proven guilty and all that.

The reasons that i have are not directly tied to the substance of the accusations against him there.

Re: Wikileaks Is Running Out Of Cash

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Post by marquis » Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 4:33 PM UTC

__alexs wrote: post #20

palish wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am not going to donate to Julian Assange's defense, as i think he's destroyed Wikileaks' credibility and capability to continue operating. I completely missed any recent news regarding Assange... do you mind expanding on your reasons? I'm really interested.

Presumably the part where he is was at best a complete douchebag to several women, and at worst raped someone.

It's widely accepted that this was a smear campaign to detract from the release of a massive amount of diplomatic cables.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/23/julian-assange-wiki...

Re: Wikileaks Is Running Out Of Cash

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Post by knowtheory » Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 4:33 PM UTC

palish wrote: post #19

knowtheory wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real question is how many documents they've taken in. The impression i was left with over the split between Wikileaks and OpenLeaks (and incidentally here's link to open leaks: http://openleaks.org/ ) was that WikiLeaks was left w/o any infrastructure to accept new documents, making it, effectively, useless. I am not going to donate to Julian Assange's defense, as i think he's destroyed Wikileaks' credibility and…

> I am not going to donate to Julian Assange's defense, as i think he's destroyed Wikileaks' credibility and capability to continue operating. I completely missed any recent news regarding Assange... do you mind expanding on your reasons? I'm really interested.

Yes, consider this an IOU. I have to run and give a brown bag, and I will enumerate my reasons when i get back.

Re: Wikileaks Is Running Out Of Cash

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Post by suhastech » Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 4:37 PM UTC

__alexs wrote: post #20

palish wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am not going to donate to Julian Assange's defense, as i think he's destroyed Wikileaks' credibility and capability to continue operating. I completely missed any recent news regarding Assange... do you mind expanding on your reasons? I'm really interested.

Presumably the part where he is was at best a complete douchebag to several women, and at worst raped someone.

Probably a government tactic to deface assange?

Re: Wikileaks Is Running Out Of Cash

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Post by __alexs » Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 4:37 PM UTC

knowtheory wrote: post #18

cube13 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to see that as well, and it would make me much more comfortable with donating to them if I knew that my money was going directly towards supporting their operations(which I support), instead of Assange(whom I do not).

The real question is how many documents they've taken in. The impression i was left with over the split between Wikileaks and OpenLeaks (and incidentally here's link to open leaks: http://openleaks.org/ ) was that WikiLeaks was left w/o any infrastructure to accept new documents, making it, effectively, useless. I am not going to donate to Julian Assange's defense, as i think he's destroyed Wikileaks' credibility and…

In what way did one guy leaving WL to setup his own leaking system remove their ability to accept new leaks?

Re: Wikileaks Is Running Out Of Cash

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Post by pconf » Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 4:40 PM UTC

gldalmaso wrote: post #3

It impresses me just how much combined effort is being put towards boycoting transparency, just on the grounds that the powers that be are embaressed by their ugly operations.

Also impresses me by how many posts here believe the media coverage of Assange. Just goes to show, Americans are the most naive consumers of commercial news on the planet, by a considerable margin.

All I want to know is where I can send a check.

Long live government transparency.

Re: Wikileaks Is Running Out Of Cash

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Post by sliverstorm » Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 4:43 PM UTC

untog wrote: post #4

I'd be interested in Wikileaks providing a rundown on what they spend their money on. Every cent might be in the direct pursuit of free information but I worry that isn't the case.

It's certainly ironic that they haven't released such information, considering their alleged function & goals.

Re: Wikileaks Is Running Out Of Cash

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Post by derrida » Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 4:44 PM UTC

danso wrote: post #7

What is thhe status of WL mirror sites? I remember when WL went down for financial reasons, hardly any of the mirror sites seemed to function, never mind have most of the archives

Mine is up. The major ones I have checked are still up. Report any noticed downs in the Wikileaks IRC.

Re: Wikileaks Is Running Out Of Cash

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Post by rick888 » Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 4:46 PM UTC

raganwald wrote: post #13

rick888 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose if "you win" means a jail sentence, then yes.

Is that what you have to say about King, Ghandi, Castro, and Mandela (amongst others)? I am not equating Assange with these folks, but I am using their jail sentences to suggest that while going to jail is not winning, it certainly doesn’t preclude winning later on. If anything, it may indicate that they are doing something to endanger the status quo, which is a necessary precondition of winning.

"Castro, and Mandela"

Mandela and Castro are murderers. Why are they even included on your list?