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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#351
> Is demoralizing to find out I spent 4 years in school just to get into a really harsh job market.

Came out of college in 2000. I was told it was a gold rush from many grads I knew who were hitting the market in 98'. Startups doing startup things, VC money flowing for IDEAS, didn't even need a business plan of any kind, just have a solid idea and watch the millions get tossed your way.

Then the bottom fell out less than a year after I got out. Everything evaporated. All the cool kids were having "hanging parties" where entire companies were getting laid off in a single day. As fast as the VC money showed up, it turned into sand and disappeared.

I had the same reaction - WTF do I do now? It was so devastating to everyone around me.

Here's what happened:

- lot of friends went back to college to get advanced degrees

- some went back to college to do something totally different

- some got together and started new companies, in the ashes of the recession no less

- some just collected unemployment while waiting the recession out and waiting for companies to start hiring again

- some found gigs at big corporations and started at the ground floor. They wanted stability in the desert of constantly shifting sands. Less pay, but stable.

Here's the point. You have to seize your opportunities when they show up. You should see this, and any "negative" situation as a chance to see what's out there, make a plan and go for it. Things will eventually come back around, but I wouldn't sit around waiting for something else. Start your own company, find out what you really want to be doing and do THAT.

I found out in 2000, that when everybody was standing around holding pitty parties for themselves, there was a huge group of people that were already dusting themselves off and planning the next charge into the next big thing.

Here's an ENTIRE LIST of companies that were founded in 2000:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_companies_es...

The best advice I can give you is to do some digging. Got to networking events, see what everybody is doing. Make connections at companies, talk to people, see who's hiring, let people know you're out there looking for something that's a good fit. Right now? There's roles out there, but you're going to have to do some digging and leg work. The market conditions warrant you doing some legwork, instead of waiting for those companies to come knocking.

Chances are once you get out there and make some connections, you'll find people will start contacting you about roles which won't be on any job board. You'll hear from people about XYZ startup, looking for some solid talent. Or ABC Corp doing some contracting hire through DEF agency.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#352
post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never once in my career seen someone with an MS get hired over someone with a BS because they had a MS. If you're doing it purely for return-on-investment, it's a massive waste of time and money.

I've worked for a place that would only hire MS or PhD grads.

>I've worked for a place that would only hire MS or PhD grads.

Specialized regions aside, how bad was their code?

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#353

I always get flak for this but here we go anyway: the key is to manage expectations in the short term. First realize that the market you know is far from the norm. We were at the end of the longest bull run in history and the hottest tech job market in memory. These are things you can kiss good bye for a while: eye popping salaries with little experience, kombucha on tap and Prosecco Friday, headcount doubling every…

I graduated around the same time and I ended up getting a job in finance anyways - hard asset investments specifically. So there are actually markets that thrive during times like these and identifying them and reaching out to them is what you might want to consider doing.

I might want to add this was a programming role, not anything crazy like a quant or something like that either, and I didn't even go to school, they hired me on self-taught and that was that.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#354

I always get flak for this but here we go anyway: the key is to manage expectations in the short term. First realize that the market you know is far from the norm. We were at the end of the longest bull run in history and the hottest tech job market in memory. These are things you can kiss good bye for a while: eye popping salaries with little experience, kombucha on tap and Prosecco Friday, headcount doubling every…

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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#355
post #350

We are still hiring at Fractal (NFT marketplace for gaming assets). We're a revenue generating company with fewer than 15 team members that just raised $35m in new funding. Founded by experienced founders. https://jobs.lever.co/fractal-is/

Oof it sounds like NFT marketplace will be first to go in a recession.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#356

> Is demoralizing to find out I spent 4 years in school just to get into a really harsh job market. I know it doesn't make your experience any better, but this is *not* a harsh job market. Yes, some companies are pulling back/slowing down/pausing hiring, but there are still far more software jobs available than people to fill them. > What companies or roles will be more resilient? Those that are or can quickly become…

> Don't do anything different. You had one company pull out on you. That happens all the time for a multitude of reasons. Don't be discouraged. Apply for jobs at a range of companies, from start-ups to profitable SaaS companies to companies outside the typical "tech" wheelhouse.

This, I think OP is reading too much into a single rejection. Maybe they're right, maybe not, who knows. Individual companies do wacky things all the time. Startups in particular tend to be more volatile and may be risk-adverse depending on where they are in funding cycles. Try looking for jobs with larger stable companies with reliable revenue streams. I work at one and we've been actively hiring the entire time.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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post #350

We are still hiring at Fractal (NFT marketplace for gaming assets). We're a revenue generating company with fewer than 15 team members that just raised $35m in new funding. Founded by experienced founders. https://jobs.lever.co/fractal-is/

Anything relating to NFTs sounds like the absolute opposite of a recession-proof job.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would hope that a number of those companies are well embedded and experienced to weather a tech crash/recession. I mean I know MS has had to have seen their share.

MS seems like it should be safe. Slack seems like it could be hit hard.

They'll be all right once Microsoft acquires them.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#360
I entered the market in a similar situation in 2008. For what it's worth, while certain companies tighten their belts, at the end of the day more software needs to be built than exists right this second, and so there will always be positions available.

Thats not to say it won't be hard, but you're still in the biggest growth industry I can think of, and it touches more and more other industries every day. There will always be need for software, and there will always be need for software developers.

Thats my two cents anyway, and how I approached it when I was younger, and I was right in the medium term :)

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