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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#151

If you want to be recession-proof, get a job at a non-software company (or in academia, state/city government, etc). In theory, "programmer" is the same job whether you work for a startup or the Minnesota Dept. of Transportation, but in practice they feel like completely different industries. In one, you can make fantastic money but the interviews are famously difficult, the culture can be borderline abusive, and lay…

> In one, you can make fantastic money but the interviews are famously difficult, the culture can be borderline abusive, and layoffs are a way of life.

These generalizations are untrue for a lot of companies, and for a lot of teams. Software companies, even FAANGs, can be very relaxed and comfortable places to work. It all really depends on the team -- and you can end up with an abusive boss in any industry.

Job security depends on the nature of the recession. In 2008 a lot of government employees in California (and probably other states) got furloughed without pay for a while because the state government basically ran out of money.

Also, the pay difference for software engineers at tech and non-tech companies is not small. It's at least 4X, often more. If you work at an established tech company for several years and you aren't totally irresponsible, you will be able to save enough money to live for a long time without an income -- even while paying a Silicon Valley mortgage.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#152

If you want to be recession-proof, get a job at a non-software company (or in academia, state/city government, etc). In theory, "programmer" is the same job whether you work for a startup or the Minnesota Dept. of Transportation, but in practice they feel like completely different industries. In one, you can make fantastic money but the interviews are famously difficult, the culture can be borderline abusive, and lay…

Even better: a software company that makes software for the government. And has actual revenue and long term contracts.

Yes we are hiring, email in bio.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#153

Go get your MS/PhD. By the time you finish, the market will be stronger, and so will your resume The Georgia Tech online MS is good and about $7k total. You can pay for it working at Starbucks

I have never once in my career seen someone with an MS get hired over someone with a BS because they had a MS. If you're doing it purely for return-on-investment, it's a massive waste of time and money.

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Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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I have never once in my career seen someone with an MS get hired over someone with a BS because they had a MS. If you're doing it purely for return-on-investment, it's a massive waste of time and money.

I've seen hundreds of job descriptions for a wide range of interesting roles (data science, ML, systems, computer graphics, AI research, CV, etc) that list an MS or PhD as a requirement But even if that bullet point is BS, I am sceptical that the ROI on spending $7k to get 1000+ hours better at your field can be THAT bad. Maybe suboptimal, with all the good free/cheap resources out there, but a waste of time? I'd be…

For many software engineers, taking time off work to get a Master's degree would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost earnings. That's a much bigger deal than the cost of tuition.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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Their honesty should be applauded. Imagine they hired you and then had to fire you in 6 months. Keep in touch with the PM if you liked them and see how they perform in the next 12 months.

Yep. A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away (when I was in college) I worked for a company that did a round of layoffs and they let one of their new AS400 engineers go on their first day of work. Totally unprofessional.

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

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> To be honest is my first time job hunting since I graduated in 2019. Do you mean you’re leaving your first job after ~3 years or there’s been a gap in your resume?

no, what they imply is that they didn't have to look for a job since after they graduated in 2019

Re: Tell HN: Job interview canceled due to looming recession

#160
I’ve seen so many posts like this on HN and Reddit. Maybe I’m just interviewing at the wrong companies, but honestly the market feels hotter than it ever has before.

I’m getting companies practically begging me to come work for them. Startups, Fortune 500s, the whole lot of em.

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