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Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by Macha »

devit wrote: post #126
bayindirh wrote: post #21

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> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

Why would you buy a wireless keyboard for "daily work" which needs to be "no-fuss"? You are putting your security at risk (who knows whether the encryption is secure or whether the Logitech drivers are backdoored), as well as your convenience since you'll need to charge it periodically and there's a good chance you'll forget it (or forgot to buy disposable batteries if that's what it uses) and be completely unable to…

It charges using a standard usb cable. With the RGB turned off, it lasts months at a time. It is usable as a standard usb keyboard while plugged in to charge.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by sleepybrett »

victorhooi wrote: post #267
arinlen wrote: post #53

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> Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. You can get a cheaper no-fuss mechanical keyboard from reputable brands with respectable components for far less than this logitech keyboard is being sold. From the top of my mind, Akko keyboards are quite nice, and most of their products sell for $50 less. You'd need to be completely, utterly clueless to go to Logitech for…

Whilst I get your point - you might want to tone down the rhetoric slightly... I'm a mechanical keyboard aficionado - I've gone through everything from Das, to Annes, to WhiteFoxes, to Keychrons. (Yes, I did solder some of those...lol). My current daily driver is a Keychron K6 - but even I am seriously considering this Logitech. The spec sheet promises a battery life of 10 months (no backlight) - the Keychron K6 is f…

> I'm looking for a QMK wireless keyboard, but they're thin on the ground - and I suspect the battery life would still be terrible.

QMK's bluetooth stack is pretty fucking broken and has limited chipsets it supports. You'll have more luck with https://github.com/jpconstantineau/BlueMicro_BLE or https://github.com/zmkfirmware/zmk

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by coastflow »

TAKEMYMONEY wrote: post #350
ceeplusplus wrote: post #321

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It's certainly not 15% marketshare among premium corporate users. I bet if you condition on the company spending at least $700/unit on laptops for their employees, Apple's marketshare is more like 70%.

And they're buying the shitty Apple keyboards to go along with them. It's not realistic for Logitech to target the "we screwed up where the modifier keys are" aka "Apple layout" market on their first launch.

Targeting Apple users is effectively part of what they are doing with their launch. From the images in the submitted link, the keys also have labels for the Apple modifier keys in their default positions (that is, with Cmd next to the space bar).

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by falsenapkin »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #369
falsenapkin wrote: post #212

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Unlike their fantastic pointing devices, the keyboards are always lacking some killer feature. MX Ergo, MX Master, MX Anywhere, MX Vertical all have something that basically no other brand offers. What have the MX keyboards offered? This is a generic mech, another one had a scroll wheel... where's the no fuss tenting split with thumb features beating function and price point of the an Ergodox or Keyboardio?

I don't know about mx keyboards, but I love their ergo keyboard: https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/keyboards/k860-split... Between that and the MX ergo, bye bye wrist pain.

I don't doubt it's a great product that offers real relief to users, but it's not their "MX" brand and it's not a serious departure from the average keyboard. You can get the same style of split-ish keyboard from Microsoft and others for many years now.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by fooker »

ubertaco wrote: post #16

This looks like a non-hotswappable board with proprietary switches, and it's still tied to Logitech's wireless dongles (which are notoriously bad about both causing and being super-sensitive to 2.4Ghz-spectrum interference). I mean, I _think_ the switches are proprietary -- the page has no real information about the switches at all, which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telli…

>which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telling you it has "a CPU".

This seems to be the standard Apple strategy, which has worked wonders.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by Macha »

mas-ev wrote: post #320
Tsiklon wrote: post #32

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From the looks of the side profile, this is using low profile mechanical switches, which seem uncommon or at the very least not popular in the mech keyboard community. I don’t think that they’re targeting the same sort of user as the enthusiast board manufacturers do. I mean the MX Keys is a popular product outside of mech keyboard circles, this may be positioned as an alternative for those users

I think there isn't adoption to low profile keys because of compatibility and snobs. I have been using the gaming version of this keyboard (G915) for years and would prefer not going back to high rise keys. Better ergonomics, looks better, easier to clean, less wobbly keys, smaller chance of breaking a keycap.

> smaller chance of breaking a keycap.

So from a sample size of one, I've never broken a keyboard on a full height key, I've broken 3-4 on laptop butterfly keyboards over the last 20-ish years, and I've broke one on a G915 in one year.

I mean just look at the underside of the logitech keycaps with two thin prongs versus the heavier duty (and redundant points of connection) on the female + connector on a cherry key, I know which I'd bet on.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by tmottabr »

falcolas wrote: post #170
gigaflop wrote: post #159

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The page says nothing about which make/model switches are used. Tactile/clicky/linear can be said about any switch manufacturer's offerings.

On that page, under "Specs & Details", the explicit models and part numbers are listed. Graphite MX Mechanical Tactile Quiet: 920-010547 Graphite MX Mechanical Linear: 920-010548 Graphite MX Mechanical Clicky: 920-010549 Graphite MX Mechanical Mini Tactile Quiet: 920-010550 Graphite MX Mechanical Mini Linear: 920-010551 Graphite MX Mechanical Mini Clicky: 920-010552 Logitech makes its own switches (or at least claims…

i think Logitech started with Cherry switches in their early mechanical keyboards and later they switched to their own switches, some are based on Cherry MXs and some are not..

From the name and some images my guess is that this ones are based on or at least compatible with the Cherry MX\MX Low profile switches..

But Logitech has the (bad) habit of mixing different models of switches in the same keyboard model.. I have two G512 here..

The first one, a tactile silent, use Romer-G switches, those are made by Logitech itself, not sure if anyone else use those.. they have their own Keycaps, not compatible with anything else AFAIK..

The other one, a tactile clicky, it uses GX Blue switches (their version of the Cherry MX Blue) that is compatbile with Cheery MX keycaps..

My guess would be that those Graphite MX are likely like their previous GX switches.. based on Cherry but manufactured by Logitech or some by some contractor on their behalf.. not much information out there about those yet..

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by solatic »

ubertaco wrote: post #16

This looks like a non-hotswappable board with proprietary switches, and it's still tied to Logitech's wireless dongles (which are notoriously bad about both causing and being super-sensitive to 2.4Ghz-spectrum interference). I mean, I _think_ the switches are proprietary -- the page has no real information about the switches at all, which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telli…

> I don't get who this product is for

Mechanical keyboards are filtering down into corporate IT purchasing after they've entered the consumer mainstream (gaming keyboards and the like), particularly in smaller / "hip" companies that decide to buy smaller amounts of premium hardware instead of trying to shave pennies off unit costs in volume (Fortune 500 etc.). Logitech's retail reach makes this a much simpler decision for those purchasing agents, who will likely be able to purchase these through pre-existing channels, compared to smaller outlets offering specialized keyboards.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by gigaflop »

falcolas wrote: post #170
gigaflop wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The page says nothing about which make/model switches are used. Tactile/clicky/linear can be said about any switch manufacturer's offerings.

On that page, under "Specs & Details", the explicit models and part numbers are listed. Graphite MX Mechanical Tactile Quiet: 920-010547 Graphite MX Mechanical Linear: 920-010548 Graphite MX Mechanical Clicky: 920-010549 Graphite MX Mechanical Mini Tactile Quiet: 920-010550 Graphite MX Mechanical Mini Linear: 920-010551 Graphite MX Mechanical Mini Clicky: 920-010552 Logitech makes its own switches (or at least claims…

While they have made their own switches in the past, these look exactly like premade switches. I don't feel that the model numbers serve to help identify the actual switch.

I can't tell between Choc V2s, or Cherry MX Low-Profile, but this review shows the switches in better (read: any) detail than Logitech's page: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/logitech-mx-mechanical-...

'MX' made me think it might have been Cherry, but the review says Chocs, so that's what I'll believe. MX is probably included to signal 'MX compatible stem'.

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