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How many layouts do they have besides en_US?
I find it apalling even Apple offers more keyboard layouts than a company focused entirely on peripherials. It's insulting honestly.
This looks like a non-hotswappable board with proprietary switches, and it's still tied to Logitech's wireless dongles (which are notoriously bad about both causing and being super-sensitive to 2.4Ghz-spectrum interference). I mean, I _think_ the switches are proprietary -- the page has no real information about the switches at all, which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telli…
What's wrong with Logitech?
I see a lot of praise for the MX Master mouse and keyboard, I use the mouse myself and it's been great.
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Eh, I really like the Logitech wireless dongle. So much more reliable than Bluetooth and it works on the bios screen as well. Never really cared about swapping switches much and I want my keyboard to be wireless. I’d consider buying this if I didn’t already own the regular mx keys.
I’ve found Bluetooth to be much more reliable in the presence of obstructions and interference. Learned this the hard way when I tried to put a computer behind my TV.
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> which can work with any OS, incl. firmware updates. Keyboard that needs firmware updates? Yuck. It’s an input device. I’ll stick with my 12 year old WASD Code and Model M thank you very much. /end boomer
No. Logitech sometimes push firmware updates for their receivers for security reasons. While my G700 is also capable of firmware updates, they didn't push anything to it since I bought it a decade ago.
This looks like a non-hotswappable board with proprietary switches, and it's still tied to Logitech's wireless dongles (which are notoriously bad about both causing and being super-sensitive to 2.4Ghz-spectrum interference). I mean, I _think_ the switches are proprietary -- the page has no real information about the switches at all, which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telli…
From the looks of the side profile, this is using low profile mechanical switches, which seem uncommon or at the very least not popular in the mech keyboard community. I don’t think that they’re targeting the same sort of user as the enthusiast board manufacturers do. I mean the MX Keys is a popular product outside of mech keyboard circles, this may be positioned as an alternative for those users
Where are you getting this from? I can count at least 3 people I know using low profiles. Without doing a poll. Some people want that laptop feel in a desktop board.
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> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…
I own a DasKeyboard with MX Browns and it's my daily driver at work. I prefer MX Blue switches (or even MX Greens) because I grew up in the old buckling spring era of IBM keyboard dominance (my home keyboard is an old Model M from the late 90s). I would use a clicky keyboard at work, but my coworkers don't like it, so I stick with the browns. I HIGHLY recommend the DasKeyboard. It's hefty, and I installed a custom ke…
For me, keyboards like Das Keyboard, Alt, Ctrl, etc. are the perfect satisfice: good keyboards, at a price that's not terrible, with a time & research commitment that falls below the level of "hobby". I could easily see the Logitech keyboard fitting into this niche. The only question is how big a niche it is - how many of us are out there who like a nice keyboard, but are lukewarm/meh about soldering?
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Logitech Unifying Receiver is basically rebranded, slightly-tweaked bluetooth from what I can tell. I've had a lot of them running in the same room together and not had a problem. I have a ridiculously priced Topre Realforce, but when friends and family ask for a recommendation or I'm helping them setup a machine I would definitely recommend something like this if they're up for spending a little more. Historically I…
The Logitech Unifying Receiver uses an nRF24LU1+. They use a Nordic Semiconductor proprietary protocol, "ShockBurst". https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Wireless/Nordic/nRF24LU1... https://www.nordicsemi.com/Products/nRF24-series This chip was pretty popular for non-bluetooth keyboard/mouse dongles, not just Logitech.
The major producers of keyboards with the Apple layout include "Keychron" and "Royal Kludge," but the brands aren't well-known to most consumers in contrast to Logitech. Each brand also has some reports of minor problems with build quality from forum discussions on Reddit, though it remains to be seen if the Logitech keyboard will be much better.
You could use a Windows-first mechanical keyboard for MacOS, but the layout is slightly different (the Windows key as Cmd and the Alt key as Option are in different positions than on a Mac-first keyboard). Fixes to remap the keys (example solution: https://superuser.com/questions/158561/how-can-i-remap-windo...) can cause problems for users who work with virtual Windows machines after swapping the keys.
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I'd like to add nuance to this advice. For reasons I don't understand, ortholinear is either a Really Big Deal or it just... isn't. I'm the latter. Switching to the ErgoDox layout took some doing, it's been an iterative process of tweaking the layout, but actually typing on linear keys was a transition I barely noticed. For different brains it's a complete showstopper and they have to learn how to type again, for man…
ErgoDox isn't actually ortholinear, it's columnar. Ortholinear is just a straight grid of buttons. Columnar is what most split ergo boards are. Having used one I don't find ortholinear very good feeling without a split, as it makes your wrists go in a weird angle. I sorta transitioned in via way of an ortholinear which I think helped a bunch. Rather then going from a normal board to a splitergo, I used a preonic for…
https://switchandclick.com/best-ortholinear-keyboards/
Here's another one
https://dygma.com/blogs/product-development/new-ortholinear-...
These are all what you're trying to say is only called 'columnar' because the vertical is staggered but the horizontal is straight.
As I hope I've demonstrated, in practice your criticism is without basis, these boards are described by their own manufacturers as ortholinear.
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> Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. You can get a cheaper no-fuss mechanical keyboard from reputable brands with respectable components for far less than this logitech keyboard is being sold. From the top of my mind, Akko keyboards are quite nice, and most of their products sell for $50 less. You'd need to be completely, utterly clueless to go to Logitech for…
Whilst I get your point - you might want to tone down the rhetoric slightly... I'm a mechanical keyboard aficionado - I've gone through everything from Das, to Annes, to WhiteFoxes, to Keychrons. (Yes, I did solder some of those...lol). My current daily driver is a Keychron K6 - but even I am seriously considering this Logitech. The spec sheet promises a battery life of 10 months (no backlight) - the Keychron K6 is f…