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Re: A man who uploaded 2M videos to YouTube [video]

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The problem of web content is the search and recommendation systems have no opinion on skill, effort, scholarship or accuracy. It's become disconnected so much that metrics of quality are seen as arbitrary, unrelated attributes. There is literally zero reward for hard work. It's actually more likely to hurt than help you because original scholarship or novel insights is definitionally more dissimilar to existing thin…

Recommendation systems just mirror what the users watch - including their age - and the reality is that 99% of people have horrible taste in just about everything. They can't tell the difference between a great film and a terrible film - they walk away thinking "I enjoyed that".

"Page Rank" worked well when most of the implicit ranking (linking) was done by university students, faculty, and tech-industry staff.

It's scaled poorly as the Web has broadened.

Given enough eyeballs, all content is shallow.

Re: A man who uploaded 2M videos to YouTube [video]

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The problem of web content is the search and recommendation systems have no opinion on skill, effort, scholarship or accuracy. They do, but only through the proxy of 'likes' and 'followers'. This leads to a bigger problem with web content, especially with video - people conflate the quality of the video production with the quality of the content. Someone who can make slick, glossy videos full of effects will almost a…

> You could put 30 years into learning, understanding, and explaining a complex topic If you put that much time and effort into a topic, please invest a month into learning how to make slick visuals! The amount of knowledge that's lost due to abhorrent presentation is probably astronomical. This includes papers and books about complex topics! I don't know where we got the inane idea that you have to be extremely dry…

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Re: A man who uploaded 2M videos to YouTube [video]

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Recommendation systems just mirror what the users watch - including their age - and the reality is that 99% of people have horrible taste in just about everything. They can't tell the difference between a great film and a terrible film - they walk away thinking "I enjoyed that".

Take a look at the video in question[1]- I search for some answer, I watch it and I DID NOT enjoy that. If not for the dislike button, I have no way to signal that to youtube. Algorithm just sees that I watched the video - great. Since I haven't found answer to my question I may watch even more videos on the topic (alg - great video, got him hooked on that topic). Most recommendation system mismatches are much more s…

Back in the G+ days (I was both an active user and critic), I hammered the importance of the Exit, Voice, Loyalty model.

Google from its inception had inspired exceptionally strong loyalty through solving technical problems (web search) well. I'd adopted and was proselytizing as of 1999.

Over the years that situation ... changed.

With Google no longer serving technical needs well (across multiple dimensions), and disabling voice (killing YouTube downvotes being only one of many examples), the remaining option is exit. And so I've exited virtually all Google products and services.

(The vibe of "my mind is going, Dave, I can feel it" as I deleted my GMail contacts one at a time was ... morbidly fascinating. I've retained that account, as a last-ditch contact. I check it every few months, perhaps.)

Google can't seem to distinguish between "short term retention" vs. "long-term reputational harm". Though they're hardly the only one --- see Reddit and Facebook as other examples.

Re: A man who uploaded 2M videos to YouTube [video]

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The problem of web content is the search and recommendation systems have no opinion on skill, effort, scholarship or accuracy. It's become disconnected so much that metrics of quality are seen as arbitrary, unrelated attributes. There is literally zero reward for hard work. It's actually more likely to hurt than help you because original scholarship or novel insights is definitionally more dissimilar to existing thin…

The problem of web content is the search and recommendation systems have no opinion on skill, effort, scholarship or accuracy. They do, but only through the proxy of 'likes' and 'followers'. This leads to a bigger problem with web content, especially with video - people conflate the quality of the video production with the quality of the content. Someone who can make slick, glossy videos full of effects will almost a…

Given enough eyeballs, all content is shallow.

Re: A man who uploaded 2M videos to YouTube [video]

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The guy in question appears even stranger if you try to look up "what he is". According to the information he puts up on the internet about himself, he is presumably (..?) an accomplished individual, being affiliated with MariaDB and seemingly being knowledgable about linux/IT stuff (this latter not surprising, to the extent he is the one that has set up that youtube monstrosity.) But then again, if you try to browse…

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Re: A man who uploaded 2M videos to YouTube [video]

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The guy in question appears even stranger if you try to look up "what he is". According to the information he puts up on the internet about himself, he is presumably (..?) an accomplished individual, being affiliated with MariaDB and seemingly being knowledgable about linux/IT stuff (this latter not surprising, to the extent he is the one that has set up that youtube monstrosity.) But then again, if you try to browse…

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Re: A man who uploaded 2M videos to YouTube [video]

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Agreed. To go further, I think people don't even want quality content. And on the internet, they just want the feed. They don't want reccomended videos to choose from. They don't need a comment section. The search bar doesn't even matter. Turns out the best way to engage people and get them to use any platform for hours is to just give them a feed. It's why TikTok, YouTube and most Meta products all have stories that…

> people don't even want quality content I don't think that's true in general. People do want good content, but good content is hard to find, and people just don't want to put in the effort of finding it. They watch what the algorithms suggest because it's easy, not because they really want to watch that stuff. I mean, look at me, scrolling HN and Reddit for hours. Do I think this is quality content? No. But it would…

I also think being shown what is popular to the majority is another part of the stimulation a feed can bring. Even if you feel the content is poor quality, you now know what content is popular and that is useful.

Re: A man who uploaded 2M videos to YouTube [video]

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The problem of web content is the search and recommendation systems have no opinion on skill, effort, scholarship or accuracy. It's become disconnected so much that metrics of quality are seen as arbitrary, unrelated attributes. There is literally zero reward for hard work. It's actually more likely to hurt than help you because original scholarship or novel insights is definitionally more dissimilar to existing thin…

The problem of web content is the search and recommendation systems have no opinion on skill, effort, scholarship or accuracy.

I'm OK with the rest of what you say, but the portion about "effort" seems to be echoing Marx's labor theory of value. This has been debunked any number of ways. But I think for the population here, used to building things as efficiently as we can, it's perverse to try to reward someone for working harder, i.e., doing things the slow and inefficient way.

Given a product equal in the other measures - skill, scholarship, accuracy, and probably some other variables as well, we should probably prefer the one that took less effort to achieve that bar.

Re: A man who uploaded 2M videos to YouTube [video]

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They will re-encode it and it might not be reversible I guess ? Also they regularly delete videos/channels with no warning and have absolutely 0 concern about backups.

> They will re-encode it and it might not be reversible I guess? You can encode information into the audio of video that is resistant to re-encoding. > Also they regularly delete videos/channels with no warning and have absolutely 0 concern about backups. You could use a level of redundancy in the videos which would resist that too, like the [2] RAID concept in hard-drive storage. [1] https://asmp-eurasipjournals.spr…

Thanks for the infos and sources.
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