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Re: Toxic Positivity

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Post by bsedlm »

I really dislike this form of content.

In this comment, I will tell you about this somewhat new way to write content on the internet.

But first, I must explain to you what is the internet.

The internet is a network of many computers in which anybody can write what they think and publish for anybody to see.

On the interent people find stuff with search engines such as google.

Eventually, marketers came up with SEO. Click here to find out about SEO.

With SEO people started to game google to get more people to read their content. Those poeple write like this. I'm imitating their way of writing because it is less annoying to me when I also write this way.

Should you write in this way too?

Studies show that wiriting like this lets you place more ads in your website.

But what about readability?

etc...

Re: Toxic Positivity

#112

Post by robonerd »

dentaku81 wrote: post #13
langsoul-com wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps taking someone's problems as your own instead of letting them resolve the situation.

I feel its whatever the opposite of just saying "damn that's crazy" when people complain at you.

People who are complaining often aren't soliciting advice and don't welcome it if offered. I think the "damn that's crazy" responses generally come from people who are aware that offered help won't be warmly received and don't have the emotional energy to put on a more convincing display of empathy, but still pay lip service to the premise for the sake of civility.

But the exact opposite would be "What does that have to do with me?"

Re: Toxic Positivity

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Post by [deleted] »

lwhi wrote: post #29
robertlagrant wrote: post #26

Just using the word "toxic" as a binary classifier of "things I don't like" is a problem. That includes people not being positive enough.

To my mind, I think toxic is a byword for 'extreme behaviour'; and furthermore, extreme behaviour is often a symptom of a personality disorder at its most pronounced.

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Re: Toxic Positivity

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Post by overthemoon »

bsedlm wrote: post #111

I really dislike this form of content. In this comment, I will tell you about this somewhat new way to write content on the internet. But first, I must explain to you what is the internet. The internet is a network of many computers in which anybody can write what they think and publish for anybody to see. On the interent people find stuff with search engines such as google. Eventually, marketers came up with SEO. Cl…

Yeah, it's awful. It's padded out with useless preamble I assume for SEO reasons. Troubleshooting Windows issues with Google is a waterfall of this bullshit. I hate having to go to windowsitgeektuts.com to read six paragraphs about how people like to hear sound out of their computer just to be told to reinstall the driver.

Re: Toxic Positivity

#117

Post by Kaze404 »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #80
groceryheist wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree! This was disjointed and didn't have a point. Wish I could downvote.

That's because the author seems to be firmly anchored in a coastal elite bubble. In particular this phrase: > invalidate someone's lived experience ...is particularly cringe-inducing. These are code words. This is not how any normal human in the English speaking world has ever spoken prior to exposure to a particular brand of (most often quite expensive) education, and let's be clear--that's the whole point. People t…

What? That's a completely normal sentence. I don't understand what in particular triggered this rant full of strawmen.

Re: Toxic Positivity

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #20
Mordisquitos wrote: post #5

I very much agree that so-called "toxic positivity" can be a problem, but I found this article greatly lacking in any sort of substance. There are no specific examples of toxic positivity, no explanation as to why its bad other than vacuous general terms repeated ad nauseam (did she mention toxic positivity invalidates lived experiences?), and no in depth explanation as to the alternatives other than what is essentia…

The post is also focused on content marketing. Many already are in agreement sales and marketing tends to be more positive because, let's face it, most of them are still coming in cold with products which are meh at best and terrible at worst. For the majority of people, toxic positivity is a far bigger issue by having things invade their life to the point of having to sell themselves or others as far more positive t…

One of the most amusing things, for me, is watching marketing folks struggling to say "no," or disagree[0].

It seems they are trained to never say no.

I tend to keep things positive, and rely on good team dynamics (I don't like team members competing against each other).

That's not "toxic positivity." It's just common sense. We don't all have to have kum-ba-ya singalongs, but we need to treat each other with respect, and work together. I was a manager for 25 years, and my team seemed to like the environment I fostered.

I think a lot of folks are crippled by cynicism, and that can be just as bad as "toxic anything." It can completely destroy a team. Decent managers can help to defuse that.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J34UzHo4G5w

Re: Toxic Positivity

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Post by samhw »

OJFord wrote: post #89
lauraekelly_ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people in customer-facing roles should be appreciated for their empathy but yeah I get you :) nope used the cover image ironically Thanks for the feedback

It's more the 'champion' (her job title, not your fault) and 'superpowers' language than it is recognising and valuing someone's empathy. It comes across as inauthentic to me, though I believe that's not the case. May also be a cultural difference (well, there certainly is, but broadly applicable to our respective nations I mean) since to me it's quite like how you can't offer a simple 'thanks' (resp. cheers!) to a s…

Yeah, I can't stand that about the US. The best supermarket experience of my life was in Croatia, in Zagreb. I asked a woman working there whether they had ice, and she just said "No." (punctuation hers), spun around, and marched off to the next thing. No "Let me see if I can find them in the warehouse, or else freeze them myself while you awkwardly wait", no "Can I help you find something else? What about some water and a freezer?", just "Nope, no ice, question answered, I'm out". I could have bought a house there, right there and then.

Re: Toxic Positivity

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Post by samhw »

Kaze404 wrote: post #117
throw__away7391 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because the author seems to be firmly anchored in a coastal elite bubble. In particular this phrase: > invalidate someone's lived experience ...is particularly cringe-inducing. These are code words. This is not how any normal human in the English speaking world has ever spoken prior to exposure to a particular brand of (most often quite expensive) education, and let's be clear--that's the whole point. People t…

What? That's a completely normal sentence. I don't understand what in particular triggered this rant full of strawmen.

I think you're illustrating that person's point. I'm a liberal, with-the-times person in a liberal, with-the-times city, and I cringe at the thought of ever uttering the words "invalidate someone's lived experience". Aside from anything else, what the fuck does it even mean? I don't think it's a bad rule of writing to speak in simple, clear, plain words, not glutinous agglomerations of abstract verbiage which evoke nothing.

(While we're at it, have you considered whether you might actually be a man made of straw?)

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