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Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

bayindirh wrote: post #21
ubertaco wrote: post #16

This looks like a non-hotswappable board with proprietary switches, and it's still tied to Logitech's wireless dongles (which are notoriously bad about both causing and being super-sensitive to 2.4Ghz-spectrum interference). I mean, I _think_ the switches are proprietary -- the page has no real information about the switches at all, which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telli…

> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

This is the one that I've been using for quite some time: https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k6-wireless-mecha...

I'm not a keyboard geek (I don't touch-type, for one thing), and feel you, for the "one-stop shop" thing.

I do have a couple of old Logitech keyboards, collecting dust in a bin, upstairs.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by cestith »

leohonexus wrote: post #23
xqcgrek2 wrote: post #14

I will never go back to fixed unsplit keyboard again. I much prefer split ergo keyboards, eg https://gaming.kinesis-ergo.com/edge/ or its non gaming version

How are they on a day to day basis? I’m thinking on getting one but not sure how big of an upgrade it is from unsplit ones.

I've been using Keyboard.io Model 01 boards for a few years now as my daily drivers for typing, ever since they arrived from backing the Kickstarter campaign. For my broad-shouldered build, the split has been good for my shoulders, elbows, wrists and fingers while the ortholinear key arrangement seems to be good for my wrists and fingers as well. Those shipped with Mathias Quiet Click (or optionally Clicky) switches soldered.

I like them enough I've also backed the Model 100 for two boards. These boards are socketed and have a wider variety of switches available. The top enclosure has also switched from maple to walnut.

https://shop.keyboard.io/

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by arinlen »

thefz wrote: post #106
arinlen wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. You can get a cheaper no-fuss mechanical keyboard from reputable brands with respectable components for far less than this logitech keyboard is being sold. From the top of my mind, Akko keyboards are quite nice, and most of their products sell for $50 less. You'd need to be completely, utterly clueless to go to Logitech for…

> From the top of my mind, Akko keyboards are quite nice, and most of their products sell for $50 less. Opened the website. Almost everything out of stock. No other layout besides us_US (most european languages use accented vowels like èòàù). Clown pink and RGB everywhere. Closed the website.

> Opened the website. Almost everything out of stock.

Amazon seems to have no problem stocking up on Akko keyboards. The ones I'm seeing listed as out of stock on Akko's page seem to be low-volume special editions with custom keycaps.

But again, I'm not a sales representative. Anyone interested in mechanical keyboards surely is able to use Google to find decent offers. I doubt Logitech products will feature in anyone's shortlist though.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by donatj »

I am not a gamer. The price gouging on things gamers enjoy is irritating. It happened with headphones, mice, and now keyboards. As “gamers” and particularly streamers grew as a market category, the prices for goods associated with them went insane. Even considering inflation, $150 for a Logitech keyboard is just nuts, even if it is mechanical.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by matwood »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #121
bayindirh wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

This is the one that I've been using for quite some time: https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k6-wireless-mecha... I'm not a keyboard geek (I don't touch-type, for one thing), and feel you, for the "one-stop shop" thing. I do have a couple of old Logitech keyboards, collecting dust in a bin, upstairs.

I also have a Keychron and it has been a one stop, buy and use until it dies kind of thing for me.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by devit »

bayindirh wrote: post #21
ubertaco wrote: post #16

This looks like a non-hotswappable board with proprietary switches, and it's still tied to Logitech's wireless dongles (which are notoriously bad about both causing and being super-sensitive to 2.4Ghz-spectrum interference). I mean, I _think_ the switches are proprietary -- the page has no real information about the switches at all, which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telli…

> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

Why would you buy a wireless keyboard for "daily work" which needs to be "no-fuss"?

You are putting your security at risk (who knows whether the encryption is secure or whether the Logitech drivers are backdoored), as well as your convenience since you'll need to charge it periodically and there's a good chance you'll forget it (or forgot to buy disposable batteries if that's what it uses) and be completely unable to use the keyboard for a while, and it will have more latency and may even fail to work due to interference; on top of that, you'll pay more for these drawbacks.

You should really only buy a wireless keyboard for very specialized needs where you need to move it around while not also moving the PC with it.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by mewse »

julianlam wrote: post #92
dsr_ wrote: post #87

Can someone explain to me the attraction of wireless keyboards? I get wireless mice: they're much easier to reposition - but my keyboard stays in one place all the time. Do other people move their keyboards repeatedly?

In my opinion it's an aesthetic thing, to not have any wires snaking round back of the desk to the computer.

I'd argue that when you're doing it properly, the cable is responsible for at least 50% of the aesthetic of any nice keyboard setup.

Going wireless would be considerably less visually interesting than what you can do with a nice, attractive cable. (but I'll concede that wireless is heaps better than using the ugly/boring/fragile thin black cables that typically get bundled in with keyboards at no additional cost)

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by funcDropShadow »

Gigachad wrote: post #24
ubertaco wrote: post #16

This looks like a non-hotswappable board with proprietary switches, and it's still tied to Logitech's wireless dongles (which are notoriously bad about both causing and being super-sensitive to 2.4Ghz-spectrum interference). I mean, I _think_ the switches are proprietary -- the page has no real information about the switches at all, which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telli…

Eh, I really like the Logitech wireless dongle. So much more reliable than Bluetooth and it works on the bios screen as well. Never really cared about swapping switches much and I want my keyboard to be wireless. I’d consider buying this if I didn’t already own the regular mx keys.

It even connects with other computers [1], note the wildcard for the firmware version in the CVE.

[1]: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2019-13052#

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by [deleted] »

devit wrote: post #126
bayindirh wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

Why would you buy a wireless keyboard for "daily work" which needs to be "no-fuss"? You are putting your security at risk (who knows whether the encryption is secure or whether the Logitech drivers are backdoored), as well as your convenience since you'll need to charge it periodically and there's a good chance you'll forget it (or forgot to buy disposable batteries if that's what it uses) and be completely unable to…

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Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by mcdonje »

ProtoMathics wrote: post #118
mcdonje wrote: post #84

Compare with: https://www.keychron.com/collections/low-profile-keyboard-co...

do you have any low KEY TRAVEL silen keyboards ? waht i absolutelly hate about "mechanical" keyboards is that unnecessary long key travel which makes typing slower. and that constatn freaking noise is cancer.

I'm not associated with Keychron, but I have their K7 with optical "brown" switches. The travel seems normal to me and I've had no complaints about the sound. Other switches may be louder.

Absolutely no complaints on design or build. My only complaint with them is the K5 has been out of stock for as long as I've been aware of them. I love the K7 for travel, but I want something similarly low profile for my desk that has a number pad.

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