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Kids are far behind in school

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Re: Kids are far behind in school

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Post by taeric »

nverno wrote: post #36

> In the districts that stayed remote for most of last year, the outcome was as if Black and Hispanic students had lost four to five more weeks of instruction than white students had. Is this referring to differences b/w students in the same schools, but of different ethnicity? I don't really understand the racial implications this article is making.

My guess would be yes. The implication seems that pushing the school burden home is hardest on the homes that are already heavily burdened, and that that is more true of minority families?

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Post by endgame »

mort96 wrote: post #11
ovi256 wrote: post #7

I've heard from private school teachers that they expected exactly this to happen, and enrollment in private schools has boomed as parents that could used the schools that cared about staying open (and opened as soon as they could). This was well supported and non-controversial pre-pandemic, where we had research results showing that simply having participation in remote schooling lowers high school graduation rate b…

I don't understand exactly what you're complaining about. Has anyone ignored the cost of closing schools? My impression has always been that everyone has known about the high cost, but, well, millions more dead isn't exactly a small cost either. I mean you may disagree with the choices which were made, but surely you have to recognize that it's a bit more complicated than what you're suggesting?

No, people really did pretend that. Here's one example that I remember: https://twitter.com/AmerAcadPeds/status/1425857041457942542

Obviously paediatrics is not the same as schooling, but I recall this sort of attitude being prevalent.

Re: Kids are far behind in school

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Post by taeric »

criddell wrote: post #16

Any guesses what the long term consequences might be? I have a hard time imagining anything more dire than the immediate consequences of social isolation during the pandemic. In other words, I think the kids that make it through are going to be okay.

Probably not much, is my gut. Catching up on relevant academic items is easier than we typically acknowledge. Is why those kids that were reading at an early age are typically not that ahead in a few years.

Not that this should be dismissed. But I hazard it is not a panic item.

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Post by dncornholio »

... and they will absolutely be fine. Learning is not being done only on schools. Also schools aren't as efficient every day of the week. Some years or semesters are a lot more important than others.

In any case, I have no doubt kids will catch up.

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Post by JohnDeHope »

criddell wrote: post #16

Any guesses what the long term consequences might be? I have a hard time imagining anything more dire than the immediate consequences of social isolation during the pandemic. In other words, I think the kids that make it through are going to be okay.

I'm curious which is worse, social isolation, or mass consumption of video media. I bet Netflix is worse. The social isolation was bad, no question. But during the early school lockdowns I saw first hand what 12+ hours a day of modern TV does to a person's brain in a short period of time. It's nothing like what TV was like in the 80s when I was a kid. The social isolation gets a lot of air time. I'd guess it's not the worst thing the lock downs did to kids. I bet the loss of education and the overdose of TV are in the top two.

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Post by christkv »

I don't know how it's in other countries but in Spain school is glorified children care to ensure kids below 12 are kept occupied until at least 5 and even 6 with additional after school activities.

The reason we moved to a private school. Kids under 12 should not be 9 hours at school everyday.

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Post by dncornholio »

criddell wrote: post #16

Any guesses what the long term consequences might be? I have a hard time imagining anything more dire than the immediate consequences of social isolation during the pandemic. In other words, I think the kids that make it through are going to be okay.

My guess is a lot of people will blame covid for their failings out of their own. This will be the harshest consequence I think; people playing victim.

[edit] I think it's already happening, but with parents. My kid is not a bad learner, it's because of covid!

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Post by JohnDeHope »

jl6 wrote: post #25
criddell wrote: post #16

Any guesses what the long term consequences might be? I have a hard time imagining anything more dire than the immediate consequences of social isolation during the pandemic. In other words, I think the kids that make it through are going to be okay.

Greater inequality, because wealthy parents can do more to compensate for schooling inadequacies than poor parents can.

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Post by giantg2 »

croon wrote: post #27
wellpast wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a worrisome line of reasoning -- that you can't act to protect children until you have 'all the data' about this or that narrow threat vector.

It's a worrisome dilemma, in which you are forced to reason. There is no win scenario, only varying degrees of unknown loss states.

And this highlights that you are not free to make that decision and reason for yourself- the government mandated what they thought is best.
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