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Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 Available...

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Fewer and fewer people are using FreeBSD, and it's starting to cause real problems. Bugs in ports can't get enough notice. Right now, `htop', an essential tool for me, has been malfunctioning for months: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/159728 At the moment, the built-in GPU in newer CPU (core i3/i5/i7) simply doesn't work in FreeBSD, people have to buy discrete older cards for graphics. Yes, they are…

GEM/KMS has already been ported. The code in the BETAs has worked on my machines. It looks likely to be available in the next release. htop is written for Linux. It only works on FreeBSD due to Linux procfs emulation.

Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 Available...

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Fewer and fewer people are using FreeBSD, and it's starting to cause real problems. Bugs in ports can't get enough notice. Right now, `htop', an essential tool for me, has been malfunctioning for months: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/159728 At the moment, the built-in GPU in newer CPU (core i3/i5/i7) simply doesn't work in FreeBSD, people have to buy discrete older cards for graphics. Yes, they are…

Maybe because it's a pain in the butt to install it? Honestly, I tried FreeBSD 8 two weeks ago, and until there's an easier to way to install it, I can't imagine many people will be interested in it.

Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 Available...

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post #10

Fewer and fewer people are using FreeBSD, and it's starting to cause real problems. Bugs in ports can't get enough notice. Right now, `htop', an essential tool for me, has been malfunctioning for months: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/159728 At the moment, the built-in GPU in newer CPU (core i3/i5/i7) simply doesn't work in FreeBSD, people have to buy discrete older cards for graphics. Yes, they are…

Maybe because it's a pain in the butt to install it? Honestly, I tried FreeBSD 8 two weeks ago, and until there's an easier to way to install it, I can't imagine many people will be interested in it.

If you're looking for a desktop install of FreeBSD, I highly recommend PC-BSD. It's more or less to FreeBSD what Ubuntu is to Debian. It's still a little rough around the edges, but it's a lot more straightforward to get set up than vanilla FreeBSD.

Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 Available...

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post #10

Fewer and fewer people are using FreeBSD, and it's starting to cause real problems. Bugs in ports can't get enough notice. Right now, `htop', an essential tool for me, has been malfunctioning for months: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/159728 At the moment, the built-in GPU in newer CPU (core i3/i5/i7) simply doesn't work in FreeBSD, people have to buy discrete older cards for graphics. Yes, they are…

This sounds like the standard "BSD is dying" canard from Slashdot and elsewhere, and without substantiation it doesn't merit a top spot in this discussion. BSD has been and remains a server-first OS, with desktop support for the latest and greatest processors trailing Linux by a substantial margin. On widely-deployed hardware, support is generally equivalent, and I'm quite pleased with recent releases for headless servers.

Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 Available...

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post #10

Fewer and fewer people are using FreeBSD, and it's starting to cause real problems. Bugs in ports can't get enough notice. Right now, `htop', an essential tool for me, has been malfunctioning for months: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/159728 At the moment, the built-in GPU in newer CPU (core i3/i5/i7) simply doesn't work in FreeBSD, people have to buy discrete older cards for graphics. Yes, they are…

BSD's legacy lives on via Mac OS X (sort of)

Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 Available...

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post #23

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Maybe because it's a pain in the butt to install it? Honestly, I tried FreeBSD 8 two weeks ago, and until there's an easier to way to install it, I can't imagine many people will be interested in it.

If you're looking for a desktop install of FreeBSD, I highly recommend PC-BSD. It's more or less to FreeBSD what Ubuntu is to Debian. It's still a little rough around the edges, but it's a lot more straightforward to get set up than vanilla FreeBSD.

I was curious about BSD...found PC-BSD and it was easy enough to get going.

Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 Available...

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As of this year, I'm no longer a FreeBSD user. I've been a hold-out... finally converting over to Linux this year after years of denial. It was a very hard move for me. The problem is that FreeBSD developers are still fighting wars of the 90's. By and large, with the welcome exception of Colin Percival (of http://www.tarsnap.com/ fame), they have not embraced virtualization. The only saving grace of FreeBSD is that i…

I'm actually thinking of moving to FreeBSD for the very reasons you're stating.

FreeBSD has:

* ZFS - which is miles ahead of btrfs for production use

* libcapsicum - something that isn't completely braindead like posix 'capabilities'

* racct and jails - cgroups is a mess, containerization isn't wanted from posts on lkml ( as it's 'not needed' - considering vps hosting is a multi-billion dollar industry ) and it needs quiet a bit of work.

Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 Available...

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post #10

Fewer and fewer people are using FreeBSD, and it's starting to cause real problems. Bugs in ports can't get enough notice. Right now, `htop', an essential tool for me, has been malfunctioning for months: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/159728 At the moment, the built-in GPU in newer CPU (core i3/i5/i7) simply doesn't work in FreeBSD, people have to buy discrete older cards for graphics. Yes, they are…

This sounds like the standard "BSD is dying" canard from Slashdot and elsewhere, and without substantiation it doesn't merit a top spot in this discussion. BSD has been and remains a server-first OS, with desktop support for the latest and greatest processors trailing Linux by a substantial margin. On widely-deployed hardware, support is generally equivalent, and I'm quite pleased with recent releases for headless se…

I certainly understand the server-first perspective. From a perspective of a guy who values having the same underlying OS as his desktop and server, its a problem. I tried using "OS X [desktop] and FreeBSD [server]" as a mix for a few years and then switched to "OS X and ubuntu server", now moved on to "mint and ubuntu server".

I don't need a desktop that does everything. Just recent versions of skype, firefox, and thunderbird. Also sometimes a simple GUI file manager is useful.

Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 Available...

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Have you ever used FreeBSD jails? I wish there was something as easy to use and flexible as that on Linux. The fact that each jail has minimal overhead and with dedupe on ZFS I can easily give every user their own "machine" while spending a lot less on hardware then a linux solution would require. Having said that I also wish I could run FreeBSD on EC2 however I haven't put my money where my mouth is. I'm sure if you…

Absolute goodness of jails and the simplicity of making a small bootable readonly CDROM image made FreeBSD a clear winner for me in the late 1990's & early 2000's. In the 2010's... the world moves forward, now it's about having a standard virtual image.

Why?

Re: FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 Available...

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As of this year, I'm no longer a FreeBSD user. I've been a hold-out... finally converting over to Linux this year after years of denial. It was a very hard move for me. The problem is that FreeBSD developers are still fighting wars of the 90's. By and large, with the welcome exception of Colin Percival (of http://www.tarsnap.com/ fame), they have not embraced virtualization. The only saving grace of FreeBSD is that i…

Between BHyVe and virtual network stacks and recent jail improvements, I'd say we're doing pretty well on the virtualization front.
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