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Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

#41
As soon as I saw this headline I thought that the comments would be instantly split into 3 views.

- The Apple Fanboys who say it isn't such a big deal

- The haters looking for any excuse to heap ire upon Apple

- The rest of us who are still confused as to why Apple hasn't released the NDA and the fallout that is happening as a result of it.

Glad to see this submission delivers as originally thought.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Because they are systematically violating the spirit of many freedoms they have benefited from, the Mach Kernel being a good example of freedom they continue to benefit from.

You're being serious here? I do hope this current wave of Anti-Apple hate-fests is short lived. Violating the spirit? They're acting in their own, and their customers best interests - no news here. There are 2 news stories - 1. They use NDAs, 2. They reject some apps. This is really just being blown out of all proportion.

Yes I am being serious.

Hate fest? Personally, I have simply expressed the decision I have made as a consumer in reaction to actions I find offensive by a company.

I am also acting in my own best interests, as I have no interest in purchasing products from a company that engages in the sort of tactics we have been seeing lately.

Please do elaborate on how their tactics are safeguarding the best interests of their customers, I truly fail to see how.

Now, as far as this being blown out of proportion, well, going by that standard, hey, what's an EULA by MSFT? They are just "acting in their own, and their customers best interests", right?

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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That's a bad flamebait-ish headline. There is no news here. Everybody knows the NDA is still very much active. And, as bad as that is, it means the book was not going to be published, and it isn't.

It's a shame this sort of thing is consistently being voted up here recently.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they are systematically violating the spirit of many freedoms they have benefited from, the Mach Kernel being a good example of freedom they continue to benefit from.

You're being serious here? I do hope this current wave of Anti-Apple hate-fests is short lived. Violating the spirit? They're acting in their own, and their customers best interests - no news here. There are 2 news stories - 1. They use NDAs, 2. They reject some apps. This is really just being blown out of all proportion.

"They're acting in their own, and their customers best interests"

I can´t see how the NDA helps their customers. While this Apple-hate thing has been blown out of proportion, the NDA thing is more than a little bit stupid.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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This is outrageous. That's it, I am going to refrain from purchasing any and all Apple products from here on, am going to encourage others to do the same, and will also refrain from recommending their products to anyone.

Serious? That's hard core. This might discourage me from developing for the iPhone, but it's not going to make me buy a Zune over an iPod. :)

That's more or less what I do. Many of my toys are Apple, but I buy my more important stuff elsewhere. As much as I would love to be able to use a Mac for my work, OSX is just not Unix-ish enough for me.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being serious here? I do hope this current wave of Anti-Apple hate-fests is short lived. Violating the spirit? They're acting in their own, and their customers best interests - no news here. There are 2 news stories - 1. They use NDAs, 2. They reject some apps. This is really just being blown out of all proportion.

"They're acting in their own, and their customers best interests" I can´t see how the NDA helps their customers. While this Apple-hate thing has been blown out of proportion, the NDA thing is more than a little bit stupid.

The NDA is irrelevant to customers. I can't see how a customer would decide to buy based on wether the company uses NDA's for certain documents.

I suppose you could argue that using an NDA might put off developers which would mean a lack of apps for the store, but customers don't care about what apps may have been rejected, they care about the apps they can use.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being serious here? I do hope this current wave of Anti-Apple hate-fests is short lived. Violating the spirit? They're acting in their own, and their customers best interests - no news here. There are 2 news stories - 1. They use NDAs, 2. They reject some apps. This is really just being blown out of all proportion.

Yes I am being serious. Hate fest? Personally, I have simply expressed the decision I have made as a consumer in reaction to actions I find offensive by a company. I am also acting in my own best interests, as I have no interest in purchasing products from a company that engages in the sort of tactics we have been seeing lately. Please do elaborate on how their tactics are safeguarding the best interests of their cus…

Well, good luck finding a company that doesn't use NDA's etc to protect their interests.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

#48
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It doesn't sound like Apple actually blocked it, just that since they haven't lifted the NDA this can't be published yet, and since they don't seem to be concerned with lifting the NDA they probably won't publish it anytime soon. Additional developer resources, esp. a book from these guys, would be very welcome though...

Your subtle distinction comes down to: it's not that they blocked it, it's that they haven't stopped blocking it.

I don't see a reason to treat that significantly differently.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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It doesn't sound like Apple actually blocked it, just that since they haven't lifted the NDA this can't be published yet, and since they don't seem to be concerned with lifting the NDA they probably won't publish it anytime soon. Additional developer resources, esp. a book from these guys, would be very welcome though...

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Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

#50
Apple builds a plantation. Sharecroppers move in, deciding of their own free will that life working for "Massa" is good. A sign at the front gate says, "The first rule of the Apple Plantation is that Sharecroppers do not talk about the Apple Plantation."

So the sign is still up and the Pragamatic Programmers are waiting untilt he sign comes down. Interesting, but not a single bit of new information. Must be a slow news day for this to get so many votes.

It would be news if the sign came down, or if Apple blessed the Pragmatic Programmers and said, "the sign doesn't apply to you."

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