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Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by [deleted] »

matt-attack wrote: post #84
rco8786 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guns are one of the most common things burglars are looking for when they’re robbing a home. Contrary to some popular rhetoric, people with guns effectively never stop crimes in progress.

Hmm you sure about that? It literally just happened: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/intruder-shot-in-armed-... Have you considered the possibility that your media sources intentionally withhold such news cases such that you’ve evidently been left with a confused view of the reality?

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Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by vt85 »

darksaints wrote: post #92
Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #12

I lived out in Berlin where basically nobody except the police and the (really) bad guys are armed. Sure, there's burglary, but much more likely was bicycle theft... I had three stolen in one calendar year. To be honest, I was more comfortable that none of my a-hole neighbors were armed, because they would have pulled a gun on you for leaving out the rubbish an hour too early or talking to loudly after 8pm.

What about your neighbors in Austria, Finland, Iceland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, or Norway? Because tons of those neighbors also own guns, but you aren't really any more likely to get shot there than you are in Germany (all of those countries have less than 3 deaths by firearms per 100k people). And if you're just looking at crime that is not intentionally self-inflicted, you're looking at less than 1 death per 1…

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Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by vt85 »

diego_moita wrote: post #98
GravitasFailure wrote: post #88

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I get where you're coming from, but have you met our wildlife? Even the notoriously anti gun Canadians will make exceptions for polar bears and moose.

Well, yes. I am an European living in Alberta, Canada. Never met wolves, but did meet a lot of bison, moose, elk and even one black bear. But a disclaimer, I was carrying a bear spray/pepper spray can. You might think that qualifies as a gun...

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Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by rascul »

Clubber wrote: post #94
pixl97 wrote: post #91

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You talk about America like it is civilized... we fight being civil tooth and nail. We're a country that enslaved people up until the 1930s (don't think that it ended in the 1850s, and it's still legal to enslave prisoners).

>We're a country that enslaved people up until the 1930s How? >it's still legal to enslave prisoners You mean other countries just let prisoners go free, or what are you getting at? Other countries don't have work farms for prisoners?

> >We're a country that enslaved people up until the 1930s

> How?

USA had slave soldiers up to 1973. And it could happen again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_Sta...

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by yongjik »

verdverm wrote: post #23
Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #12

I lived out in Berlin where basically nobody except the police and the (really) bad guys are armed. Sure, there's burglary, but much more likely was bicycle theft... I had three stolen in one calendar year. To be honest, I was more comfortable that none of my a-hole neighbors were armed, because they would have pulled a gun on you for leaving out the rubbish an hour too early or talking to loudly after 8pm.

Pointing a gun at someone is generally a crime in the US. No need for the hyperbole around gun ownership and people's behavior

> Pointing a gun at someone is generally a crime in the US.

I thought the major pro-gun argument was that criminals don't care for law? You know, the whole "If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns" thing. (Which is also patently false, by the way. Criminals in Germany usually don't have guns.)

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by em-bee »

darksaints wrote: post #92
Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #12

I lived out in Berlin where basically nobody except the police and the (really) bad guys are armed. Sure, there's burglary, but much more likely was bicycle theft... I had three stolen in one calendar year. To be honest, I was more comfortable that none of my a-hole neighbors were armed, because they would have pulled a gun on you for leaving out the rubbish an hour too early or talking to loudly after 8pm.

What about your neighbors in Austria, Finland, Iceland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, or Norway? Because tons of those neighbors also own guns, but you aren't really any more likely to get shot there than you are in Germany (all of those countries have less than 3 deaths by firearms per 100k people). And if you're just looking at crime that is not intentionally self-inflicted, you're looking at less than 1 death per 1…

gun laws across the EU are pretty similar because they are all based on the same EU laws. switzerland is actually the most liberal and it doesn't have more guns either.

there are no more guns in austrian cities than there are in germany, or as far as i could tell, anywhere else in europe. maybe more people in the country side have guns because they use them for hunting. a lot of guns are also used for sport. you would only see those on shooting ranges. otherwise they are locked away.

i do agree with the idea about poverty. that makes a lot of sense and is sometimes that can and should be addressed.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by wyldfire »

yongjik wrote: post #115
verdverm wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pointing a gun at someone is generally a crime in the US. No need for the hyperbole around gun ownership and people's behavior

> Pointing a gun at someone is generally a crime in the US. I thought the major pro-gun argument was that criminals don't care for law? You know, the whole "If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns" thing. (Which is also patently false, by the way. Criminals in Germany usually don't have guns.)

> Which is also patently false, by the way. Criminals in Germany usually don't have guns.

Um, that doesn't invalidate "If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns".

   ∀ gun-holder | gun-holder ∈ criminals
But you're suggesting that:

   ∃ criminal | criminal ∉ gun-holder
... and that is not in conflict with the above. Your evidence only invalidates:

   ∀ criminal | criminal ∈ gun-holder
... which no one has claimed.

BTW in general I think we should have some saner restrictions on firearms in the US even if we have to amend the BOR to do it. But I will concede that the abundance of legal firearms will be challenging to suddenly prohibit and could certainly flourish among criminals. I'd like to consider your argument but "Criminals in Germany usually don't have guns" doesn't help much.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by queuebert »

outgunned wrote: post #107
queuebert wrote: post #56

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I don't know about homes, but I suspect there is a reason that Nashville is #1 in thefts of guns from cars.

I’m not tracking - what is the implication? Anecdotally, was in Nashville for a work training event at a Fairfield near the new Grand Ol’ Opry. Of the 2 dozen attendees, all with anything remotely “gun” suggestive had their trucks burglarized at the hotel. Several lost weapons during the burglaries.

Gun ownership is common here, as is (apparently) leaving the guns in cars. Criminals need an illegal source of guns, since they can't pass a background check, so they steal them from the copious amounts of cars containing them.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by staticautomatic »

User23 wrote: post #42
staticautomatic wrote: post #37

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Also could be civil assault

There’s a wide misconception that assault is an act if violence but legally it’s merely the unlawful threat of violence, which is of course implied by actual unlawful violence. Unholstering or otherwise displaying a firearm is assault by definition unless there’s a justifiable reason to do so. Edit: re: assault: https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/assault-an... “In most states, an assault or battery is…

Re: your edit, point is that doesn’t necessarily mean unholstering a weapon is assault as a matter of law.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Post by [deleted] »

rascul wrote: post #114
Clubber wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We're a country that enslaved people up until the 1930s How? >it's still legal to enslave prisoners You mean other countries just let prisoners go free, or what are you getting at? Other countries don't have work farms for prisoners?

> >We're a country that enslaved people up until the 1930s > How? USA had slave soldiers up to 1973. And it could happen again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_Sta...

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