Why not (for future polls) just have everyone lookup and subtract the cost of living from their gross salary?
Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
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#102Even in SF it doesn't always cost 2k+ for a 1 bedroom.
In the east bay even i pay 1900/m for 550 sqft Studio+
What? That is insane. That is more than my mortgage and I have property and a big house in the East Bay.
I also live in a nice neighborhood.
Do you live within 2 blocks of UC Berkeley?
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#103OP should look at this thread. Relevant and very interesting about CS/EE salaries.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3141716
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#104This poll exemplifies the problem with all of these polls: it doesn't say what it's measuring. I would put in vastly different numbers for base salary vs base salary + bonuses + shares + other benefits. I see the same on Glassdoor on elsewhere. The bigger problem is the people volunteering such information have differing views on what to put making such information mostly useless. Also, if life has taught me nothing…
Agree totally. For instance, I could never figure out if these American polls take pension deductions into account. Where I live, the employer pays additional ~20% on top of base salary into various pension/saving funds, but since everyone gets it, it isn't taken into consideration when comparing salaries. I always wondered if seeing a quoted $100K salary in the US - does it include these pension payments or not.
Social Security and friends in the US are approximately 7.5% deduction from an employees "advertised" income, plus about the same on top of (called the "employer's portion") that is not advertised as part of the salary. It is a bizarre format.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? How much is the hotel? If it's $100/night, which I don't think gets you a very good hotel, and you stay 20 nights a month, that's already $2000.
There are some extended stay hotels that are cheaper. I'm not sure about SF but I know around where I live you can get a studio/kitchen/living space for $700 a month. But then again you can live in a fancy apartment downtown in the heart of things for around $1.2k a month.
By the heart of things, do you mean the Tenderloin?
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are some extended stay hotels that are cheaper. I'm not sure about SF but I know around where I live you can get a studio/kitchen/living space for $700 a month. But then again you can live in a fancy apartment downtown in the heart of things for around $1.2k a month.
By the heart of things, do you mean the Tenderloin?
Haha no, but that is funny. I am talking about Greenville, SC. As I did say I wasn't sure about SF.
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#107Not everyone works in the US - fairly narrow minded view of the world?
Cost of living varies dramatically across the globe as does currency value. To make it truly a global poll, I suppose he should have asked how units, x, of a mixed basket of local goods, b, could you buy per year worked. xb = only possible correct statement of income. You come up with b and repost the poll if you so desire.
City, Country?
How many Big Mac's would you be able to buy at your local if you spent every cent of your income on them.
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#108Location is huge. I live in Michigan and make considerably less than friends that live elsewhere. My rent is also almost 1000 dollars cheaper per month.
So if you get something more than a $24'0000 (($1000*12 months)/.55 after tax income) raise to account for the $1k rent difference, would you go for it?
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Last line is bs. Its not "the government". Taxes are much less. It includes all kinds of insurances included (medical, unemployment, retirement, etc.)
Normaly I would not answer someone who calls my writing "bs". But since its a public discussion, I want to get the facts straight: I pay 42% taxes on income. I pay medical insurance on my own. I dont have unemployment or retirement insurance.
Are you sure? You need an income of over 300k Euro to reach 42% taxes in Germany. Not saying, that you are not making that much. But sometimes people get confused between marginal and average tax rate.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Having a programmer who can spit out code ten times as fast as his compatriots doesn't result in a ten-fold improvement of returns." Or maybe it does. A programmer using a better algo might save CPU cycles, storage needed, time to complete, or may even do something which would be plainly impossible for an average programmer. So, in the real world, a programmer who is better by 10% actually yields far more than 10 fo…
Salary is unfortunately not (jut) about how good you are, and not even how much money you really make for the company, but how much your managers THINK they need to pay you (minimally) to keep you, while still making it all profitable. So it's much more complicated than just making good code or being efficient, it's just not that linear... like with any other job, it's also about your personality, connections, who's…
And in general, supply/demand curves are also not necessarily linear. A 10% reduction in the supply of oil could result in a tripling of the price. A 10% reduction in the supply of "awesome programmers" might cause a large increase in their salary, or a small one.