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Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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I used to be an EMT. There was one week when I went to two different calls that illustrated this perfectly. Both riders middle aged, both at low speed. One wearing a helmet hit a pothole and had minor facial injuries despite going over the handlebars. The other no helmet and out of practice fell sideways and the first thing to hit the kerb was her head. She's permanently disabled and living in a care facility.

Anecdotal fear inducing internet story. Statistically 'in real life' extremely rare for this to happen.

> Statistically 'in real life' extremely rare for this to happen.

Just like most forms of harm; most of the time that you take some form of insurance against a negative event, it's not necessarily because of the likelihood of that event, but the sheer totality of the harm that will occur if that extremely rare event comes to pass.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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Wouldn't it be so much easier to just slow these things down, considering they're electric?

I always wondered why I'm such a slow cyclist. Turns out it was because I was riding shared bikes, which have a total of three gears, all of them relatively low.

To reach 16km/h or 10mph in such a vehicle one would have to pedal like a maniac.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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I once saw an accident where a cyclist going straight through an intersection was hit by an oncoming truck turning left that was impatient, didn't see the cyclist and gunned it between cars. The cyclist was launched headfirst into the bumper of a car stopped at the light and her helmet loudly cracked in two. She was still hurt, but I'm sure she would have died without that helmet. If some riders choose to not wear a…

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Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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> I'm sorry, and pardonner mou Français, but what in the actual fuck? Do you wear a helmet when you drive inside your car? If not, why not? It might make you much safer in case of a crash, according to your reasoning. Wearing a helmet can itself become a leading factor to cause an incident, and it's clearly what they are hinting at in the linked article: that data seems to indicate that riders wearing helmets may be…

I've seen research stating adjacent car drivers will give less space to a cyclist wearing a helmet due to implied added safety.

The study was barely scientific. The researcher was his own test subject, and the result has never been replicated. Also, most crashes probably occur under conditions where the driver can't be aware of whether the cyclist is wearing a helmet or not. "The cyclist suddenly came out of nowhere" is a common defense.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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This is very much like: > The name "Tullock's spike" refers to a thought experiment in which Tullock suggested that if governments were serious about reducing road casualties, they should mandate that a sharp spike be installed in the center of each car's steering wheel, to increase the probability that an accident would be fatal to the driver. Tullock's idea was that the normal process of risk compensation would the…

Risk compensation or risk homeostasis is one of those hypothesis that sound good to economists and the moralizing class, but has never been proven.

https://slate.com/technology/2021/11/risk-compensation-debun...

https://www.mdpi.com/2313-576X/2/3/16/htm

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Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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I once saw an accident where a cyclist going straight through an intersection was hit by an oncoming truck turning left that was impatient, didn't see the cyclist and gunned it between cars. The cyclist was launched headfirst into the bumper of a car stopped at the light and her helmet loudly cracked in two. She was still hurt, but I'm sure she would have died without that helmet. If some riders choose to not wear a…

This is one of those situations where there is a lot of fear and anecdotes but data shows that more accidents and injuries occur with helmets than without.

A company should design their safety protocol well and it includes what equipment workers should and should not wear to protect them best.

So prohibiting helmets is very responsible. Criticizing them seems to be taking an irrational stance that it’s better to address your feelings than the actual reality of what happens.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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This completely misses the forest for the trees and misattributes causality. The Dutch don't wear helmets because the traffic culture and infrastructure are completely different, not because of some questionable statistic no one has heard of. In the Netherlands you feel safe as a cyclist. Drivers look out for you because they're also all cyclists at other times. Cycling is so prevalent that it's hard to explain to an…

There are also significant legal penalties for being at-fault and injuring/killing a cyclist in the Netherlands as compared to the US.

Can you elaborate? The US has such a high incarceration rate for in European eyes often benign offenses that I find that statement hard to believe even though I don't know the Dutch laws (I'm German). E.g. I can't imagine a Dutch person being incarcerated for injuring a cyclist unless it's on alcohol/drugs. I can totally imagine that for the US though. But I might be totally wrong. Would be really curious for some details.

My opinion on this might also be heavily and incorrectly influenced by popular media sprinkled with a few factual statistics that reinforce the bias.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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I once saw an accident where a cyclist going straight through an intersection was hit by an oncoming truck turning left that was impatient, didn't see the cyclist and gunned it between cars. The cyclist was launched headfirst into the bumper of a car stopped at the light and her helmet loudly cracked in two. She was still hurt, but I'm sure she would have died without that helmet. If some riders choose to not wear a…

Did you read the article? These bikes are 2-3 meters long. There is no chance of this type of injury occurring with them.

It's inevitable, inattentive other drivers will eventually hit one of these cargo bikes no matter how safely their operators are riding.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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"riders wearing helmets take greater risks" That's why I've glued 3-inch shards of broken glass to my steering wheel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Tullock#Tullock's_spike (I think this was mentioned earlier but I can't find the comment, so I'll just link it again)

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This completely misses the forest for the trees and misattributes causality. The Dutch don't wear helmets because the traffic culture and infrastructure are completely different, not because of some questionable statistic no one has heard of. In the Netherlands you feel safe as a cyclist. Drivers look out for you because they're also all cyclists at other times. Cycling is so prevalent that it's hard to explain to an…

There are also significant legal penalties for being at-fault and injuring/killing a cyclist in the Netherlands as compared to the US.

Aren’t the at fault vehicular manslaughter laws in the US the same for drivers who hit cars, cyclists, and pedestrians? If you kill a cyclist in the US and you’re at fault, that’s likely jail time (same for hitting a car or pedestrian).

What’s missing in US laws vs Netherlands?

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