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Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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In amateur boxing (olympic & certainly in the UK) headguards have been banned because fighters are likely to take more blows to the head if they're wearing a headguard, causing more trauma and more eventual damage to the brain - not sure the analogy holds up for cycles or motorcycles though.

Interestingly, bare handed boxing often results in far less head trauma - and while it tends to result in more cuts it has far less of an effect on fighters long term health.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

#272
I once saw an accident where a cyclist going straight through an intersection was hit by an oncoming truck turning left that was impatient, didn't see the cyclist and gunned it between cars. The cyclist was launched headfirst into the bumper of a car stopped at the light and her helmet loudly cracked in two. She was still hurt, but I'm sure she would have died without that helmet.

If some riders choose to not wear a helmet, that may be fine, but prohibiting helmets is irresponsible. Riders have a much higher cumulative risk of accidents that are not their fault than customers. It's a workplace safety issue.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

#273
Missing info : what are the company's riders carrying ? How much are they incentived to ride fast and take risk ?

I don't think barring Uber eats driver from wearing helmet would be safe. I don't know about this company, though I hope they don't absolutely ban helmet so much as not mandating them.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you wear a helmet when you drive inside your car? If not, why not? Because I have a seatbelt, an airbag, and a reinforced shock absorbing shell around me.

So you wear a helmet as a pedestrian then? You are so unprotected!

> So you wear a helmet as a pedestrian then?

I'm not going multiples of walking speed on something standing upright only thanks to gyroscopic forces, so no.

Also even when running I have way better maneuverability than as a cyclist.

Generally limbs > wheels when it comes to getting out of trouble.

I wear a helmet when skiing though.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never skied with a helmet. Ridiculous. The only thing you can do about the risk of hitting or being hit, is stay home.

In German speaking countries we went from 15% to 3% of the ski accidents with hospitalization being related to head injuries, this within the past 15/20 years. This correlates very well with the increase of helmet usage.

Do you happen to know the overall change in accidents? That's the big question behind the motivation for this change. There's no doubt that helmets would reduce the percent of all accidents that are head related, but does some reduced concern about safety result in more accidents overall?

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

#276
Pedal Me should instead mandate that all staff riders wear helmets, but that those helmets must be 'high-visibility' (painted neon yellow, green, or pink, and with reflective stickers.)

They can then tell customers that the helmets are there to improve visibility and therefore safety of their passengers.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

#277
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"You dont think its reasonable to offer passengers the option to wear a helmet?" No. Which means it's not automatically "the reasonable thing", just an opinion.

Just because one person disagrees doesn't mean it isn't reasonable. I've met people who (claim to) believe the earth is flat, but surely no one would consider that belief "reasonable". So I'm curious what the REASONING is behind your feeling that offering passengers the option to wear a helmet is unreasonable. Personally, I would AGREE that offering passengers on a pedicab the option of a pineapple would be unreasona…

> Given that, why would it be unreasonable to offer it?

I'd worry about lice.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

#278
End of 2020 I had a serious bike accident. I was specifically riding slowly and carefully because I did not want to fall and end up in hospital - in the middle of the second wave in SA and a shortage of hospital space. Even so, I had the most ridiculous and embarrassing crash, whilst hardly moving, and ended up in the ER. I was wearing a helmet and I still got a concussion. My helmet was broken and certainly saved me from a much more serious head injury. Additionally, the peak on the front managed to prevent my nose from smashing into the ground too (it was a weird angle). I would never cycle without a helmet ever.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

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This is very much like: > The name "Tullock's spike" refers to a thought experiment in which Tullock suggested that if governments were serious about reducing road casualties, they should mandate that a sharp spike be installed in the center of each car's steering wheel, to increase the probability that an accident would be fatal to the driver. Tullock's idea was that the normal process of risk compensation would the…

Now I'm sort of curious how they died, and whether their personal automobile had any modifications to the interior.

Doesn't it only work if everyone has one? If only one or a few do, they can be as cautious as possible and still be the victim of another reckless driver who doesn't have one. It reminds me a bit of the trend where parents buy larger vehicles for their teenaged children because of their perceived safety. It ends up having the opposite overall effect because less experienced drivers are getting into accidents with larger and more deadly (to those around them) vehicles.

Re: Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons

#280
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Maybe relevant: the Netherlands is probably the country with the highest use of bicycles for transport, yet no one, except for cyclists on racing bikes/MTBs or foreign tourists, ever wears a bike helmet. This is because they're only marginally effective at preventing injury, and the disadvantage of reduced cycling use if helmets are mandated results in far worse public health outcomes. See also https://dutchreview.co…

This completely misses the forest for the trees and misattributes causality. The Dutch don't wear helmets because the traffic culture and infrastructure are completely different, not because of some questionable statistic no one has heard of. In the Netherlands you feel safe as a cyclist. Drivers look out for you because they're also all cyclists at other times. Cycling is so prevalent that it's hard to explain to an…

There are also significant legal penalties for being at-fault and injuring/killing a cyclist in the Netherlands as compared to the US.
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