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Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by mroman »

wayne wrote: post #6
mroman wrote: post #5

This is outrageous. That's it, I am going to refrain from purchasing any and all Apple products from here on, am going to encourage others to do the same, and will also refrain from recommending their products to anyone.

Serious? That's hard core. This might discourage me from developing for the iPhone, but it's not going to make me buy a Zune over an iPod. :)

Yes, serious, I am getting a Creative Zen Stone Plus right soon . . . Zunes suck :)

I believe in talking with my wallet when it comes to companies.

Buying responsibly is one of the things we can all do.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by axod »

lux wrote: post #8

It doesn't sound like Apple actually blocked it, just that since they haven't lifted the NDA this can't be published yet, and since they don't seem to be concerned with lifting the NDA they probably won't publish it anytime soon. Additional developer resources, esp. a book from these guys, would be very welcome though...

Woah don't post the truth, this is apparently all about posting as many stories as possible that could be misinterpreted to show that Apple is evil.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by axod »

mroman wrote: post #5

This is outrageous. That's it, I am going to refrain from purchasing any and all Apple products from here on, am going to encourage others to do the same, and will also refrain from recommending their products to anyone.

Because they have an NDA? Call me mad but maybe you're over-reacting a smidgin.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by mroman »

axod wrote: post #33
mroman wrote: post #5

This is outrageous. That's it, I am going to refrain from purchasing any and all Apple products from here on, am going to encourage others to do the same, and will also refrain from recommending their products to anyone.

Because they have an NDA? Call me mad but maybe you're over-reacting a smidgin.

Because they are systematically violating the spirit of many freedoms they have benefited from, the Mach Kernel being a good example of freedom they continue to benefit from.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by silencio »

jmatt wrote: post #29
silencio wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Podcaster's adhoc distribution being blocked is a fantastic example. Netshare being banned from the app store is another. At this moment, unless you are a well known developer bitching a ton about this that Apple can't lash out at you without completely and utterly (and possibly irreversibly) screwing themselves over in the eyes of the Mac/iPhone dev community (i.e. Wil Shipley, Craig Hockenberry), you don't…

Netshare being banned from the app store is another. If you were lucky enough to buy Netshare when it was for sale - it still works (yay!). I wonder exactly what this means for future support for products such as Netshare. My guess is adhoc'ed distributions like Podcaster will be a pain in the but to provide updates for - but it'll be possible. Especially with the appropriate make / build script. I think those of us…

Well yes. You can also pirate it and install on jailbroken phones (one of the only reasons I do so, since I never was able to purchase it).

Podcaster used a loophole in the adhoc distribution method that allowed for getting around the 100 device limit. Apple is now preventing that developer from doing so. I think Apple would probably go as far as to monitor who is using the adhoc distribution method to bypass the app store (since at the moment they'd get lots of publicity for doing so, as this is typically only for limited beta testing and the like) to disable their account in general. I can't see how Podcaster will be able to update anymore...

I know lots of people have been bringing up Cydia as a viable alternative, but it's not a storefront and Cydia will not last if the App Store becomes a failure as a result. But it may be one available and open solution for banned applications.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by axod »

mroman wrote: post #34
axod wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they have an NDA? Call me mad but maybe you're over-reacting a smidgin.

Because they are systematically violating the spirit of many freedoms they have benefited from, the Mach Kernel being a good example of freedom they continue to benefit from.

You're being serious here? I do hope this current wave of Anti-Apple hate-fests is short lived.

Violating the spirit? They're acting in their own, and their customers best interests - no news here.

There are 2 news stories - 1. They use NDAs, 2. They reject some apps. This is really just being blown out of all proportion.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by axod »

iamdave wrote: post #20
ashu wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relax! People are just regurgitating the same stuff over and over again. And it is easy to get worked up by reading (intentional and unintentional) inflammatory remarks. If you like the product and think it makes sense for you, buy it.

It has nothing to do with people rehashing the same details over and over. It's has everything to do with Apple's actions with the things people are talking about. I don't like their tactics, and I don't like Apple putting their foot in developer's mouths by saying "we're going to make the decision on whether or not someone gets confused by our application versus yours" and then trying to silence anyone who says "I d…

The confusing part for me, is "What bit was unexpected?"

If you develop for a controlled platform which has an approval process, you have risks. End of story. You don't call any shots, the owner of the platform - Apple - does.

As an Apple consumer, I just don't care, and I'm sure the vast majority are the same. When Apple starts degrading the users experience, people will care.

It certainly is getting very boring to read. Essentially 2 stories have been posted umpteen times now.

1). Apple uses NDAs.

2). Apple rejects some apps from the store.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by axod »

jfarmer wrote: post #15
jcromartie wrote: post #10

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The NDA was in place when they started writing it. I don't know why they assumed the NDA would be lifted with the release of the iPhone 2.0. It would have been great if it were lifted, but it wasn't. They knew the risk they were running.

Lots of companies have pre-release NDAs. That part is normal. The abnormal part is not lifting the NDA even after the launch of the second major version of your product.

abnormal != evil though
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